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RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 16:04)nozomi Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 10:59)afedchin Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 01:13)Gee11 Wrote: aracnoz pls release a Kodi 18 dsPlayer Build!

what for? Kodi 18 is alpha1 only. I don't see a reason to waste time to trying adapt DS code base for v18 now   
Yeah, I bet no one is interested in running all those sweet ass addons that need Kodi 18's version of inputstream.adaptive. Let's all just keep filling this thread with page after page of Nvidia vs AMD and settings talk that totally not belong somewhere else.

It's not like the non existing people wishing/waiting for DSPlayer 18 get their hopes up when seeing a bunch of new replies every single day. 
 you can run those in stock KODI and use an external player for MADVR, you dont need DS for that.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 15:57)Bibio Wrote: dont know if its i'm not understanding things regarding 'devices -> display mode ->list all display modes madVR may switch to' and 'scaling algorithms -> (profiles) image upscaling'  i noticed if i put 'list all display modes' in madvr as 2160pxx, 1080pxx, 720pxx. 720 will upscale to 1080 but 1080 would just stay at 1080 and both 720 and 1080 wont upscale to 2160. i removed the 1080 and 720 now they both upscale to 2160 still using the (profiles). is this correct?

btw with a 1050ti trying to upscale 720 to 2160 i cant use NGU sharp high it stutters like mad, i have to drop it down to low.

i also noticed that watching 4k hdr that the chroma is set at NGU sharp. is this madvr deciding this and if so how can i drop it down or to something else, i was thinking creating a profile '4K' in scaling?

also while using kodi-dsplayerx86-madvr with xonfluence skin (i hate the default one) last night (working pretty well) without touching anything it broke. it would not let me exit kodi and would just hang, even after several reboots it was the same so guess what i had to do. :-( luckily i have the settings saved as screen shots :-)
 hi, if you want to play eveything in 2160p then yeah just insert that into display modes and add that as a CRU, if you do manage to get 3D working it will automatically drop to 1080p anyway as its not available above that.

KODI skins have always froze for me on closing, I dont bother closing anymore, i've added a taskkill /f /im KODI* to a programmed key on my remote so kodi is just killed, as it save to database on the fly ajy changes you make are saved anyway.  I do close properly from time to time but not often.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 15:05)mkohman Wrote: Thanks for your help.. 2 questions please:

1 - Do I need to enable HDR and advanced colour in Windows 10 Display settings?

2 - What is the actual process to enable 3D with NVIDIA? I would like to give it a try.. If it works I will keep the EVGA 1050ti SCC 4GB as this card is faster than the RX560 4GB and apparently performs better too.. Despite not watching hardly any 3D I would still want a card that does everything for me .. I would really appreciate it if you could maybe pm me the details or an guide on how to enable the 3D playback on the nvidia card..

Out of interest which model 1050ti do you have , I mean which brand and model number? Your issue may be a compatability issue with other components within your HTPC or projecoter/tv? Thank you ...
 1. no, it works like 3D, MADVR triggers HDR mode on your TV.
2. see if you can get Brazen1 to rejoin the conversation, he'll be able to help you, PM him maybe.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

my rx 460 arrived early, just popped it in, the 1050 was faster then my RX550, I was getting 18ms rendering times on the same settings in MADVR compared to 33 with my RX 550, will see how the RX 460 does, should be the same or slightly better than the 1050 maybe.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 15:57)Bibio Wrote: dont know if its i'm not understanding things regarding 'devices -> display mode ->list all display modes madVR may switch to' and 'scaling algorithms -> (profiles) image upscaling'  i noticed if i put 'list all display modes' in madvr as 2160pxx, 1080pxx, 720pxx. 720 will upscale to 1080 but 1080 would just stay at 1080 and both 720 and 1080 wont upscale to 2160. i removed the 1080 and 720 now they both upscale to 2160 still using the (profiles). is this correct?

btw with a 1050ti trying to upscale 720 to 2160 i cant use NGU sharp high it stutters like mad, i have to drop it down to low.

i also noticed that watching 4k hdr that the chroma is set at NGU sharp. is this madvr deciding this and if so how can i drop it down or to something else, i was thinking creating a profile '4K' in scaling?

also while using kodi-dsplayerx86-madvr with xonfluence skin (i hate the default one) last night (working pretty well) without touching anything it broke. it would not let me exit kodi and would just hang, even after several reboots it was the same so guess what i had to do. :-( luckily i have the settings saved as screen shots :-)
Chroma upscaling is the setting you are looking for when watching 4K rips. You should create a seperate profile for this.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

well the NVIDIA beat both the RX cards, on the same settings rendering times were as follows. RX 550 (2gb) 33ms, NVIDIA 1050 (2gb) 18 ms, RX 460 24ms. 

just a shame about the 3D issues, i'd defo move to NVIDIA if this got solved once and for all, without having to faff.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 17:16)Warner306 Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 15:57)Bibio Wrote: dont know if its i'm not understanding things regarding 'devices -> display mode ->list all display modes madVR may switch to' and 'scaling algorithms -> (profiles) image upscaling'  i noticed if i put 'list all display modes' in madvr as 2160pxx, 1080pxx, 720pxx. 720 will upscale to 1080 but 1080 would just stay at 1080 and both 720 and 1080 wont upscale to 2160. i removed the 1080 and 720 now they both upscale to 2160 still using the (profiles). is this correct?

btw with a 1050ti trying to upscale 720 to 2160 i cant use NGU sharp high it stutters like mad, i have to drop it down to low.

i also noticed that watching 4k hdr that the chroma is set at NGU sharp. is this madvr deciding this and if so how can i drop it down or to something else, i was thinking creating a profile '4K' in scaling?

also while using kodi-dsplayerx86-madvr with xonfluence skin (i hate the default one) last night (working pretty well) without touching anything it broke. it would not let me exit kodi and would just hang, even after several reboots it was the same so guess what i had to do. :-( luckily i have the settings saved as screen shots :-)
Chroma upscaling is the setting you are looking for when watching 4K rips. You should create a seperate profile for this. 
Hi, why is rendering so high when watching a 4k HDR movie for chroma, no upscaling should be taking place if i'm outputting in 4k and passing HDR thru.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Bibio - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 17:16)Warner306 Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 15:57)Bibio Wrote: dont know if its i'm not understanding things regarding 'devices -> display mode ->list all display modes madVR may switch to' and 'scaling algorithms -> (profiles) image upscaling'  i noticed if i put 'list all display modes' in madvr as 2160pxx, 1080pxx, 720pxx. 720 will upscale to 1080 but 1080 would just stay at 1080 and both 720 and 1080 wont upscale to 2160. i removed the 1080 and 720 now they both upscale to 2160 still using the (profiles). is this correct?

btw with a 1050ti trying to upscale 720 to 2160 i cant use NGU sharp high it stutters like mad, i have to drop it down to low.

i also noticed that watching 4k hdr that the chroma is set at NGU sharp. is this madvr deciding this and if so how can i drop it down or to something else, i was thinking creating a profile '4K' in scaling?

also while using kodi-dsplayerx86-madvr with xonfluence skin (i hate the default one) last night (working pretty well) without touching anything it broke. it would not let me exit kodi and would just hang, even after several reboots it was the same so guess what i had to do. :-( luckily i have the settings saved as screen shots :-)
Chroma upscaling is the setting you are looking for when watching 4K rips. You should create a seperate profile for this. 
super, i'll do that tonight :-)


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Bibio - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 17:29)mclingo Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 17:16)Warner306 Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 15:57)Bibio Wrote: dont know if its i'm not understanding things regarding 'devices -> display mode ->list all display modes madVR may switch to' and 'scaling algorithms -> (profiles) image upscaling'  i noticed if i put 'list all display modes' in madvr as 2160pxx, 1080pxx, 720pxx. 720 will upscale to 1080 but 1080 would just stay at 1080 and both 720 and 1080 wont upscale to 2160. i removed the 1080 and 720 now they both upscale to 2160 still using the (profiles). is this correct?

btw with a 1050ti trying to upscale 720 to 2160 i cant use NGU sharp high it stutters like mad, i have to drop it down to low.

i also noticed that watching 4k hdr that the chroma is set at NGU sharp. is this madvr deciding this and if so how can i drop it down or to something else, i was thinking creating a profile '4K' in scaling?

also while using kodi-dsplayerx86-madvr with xonfluence skin (i hate the default one) last night (working pretty well) without touching anything it broke. it would not let me exit kodi and would just hang, even after several reboots it was the same so guess what i had to do. :-( luckily i have the settings saved as screen shots :-)
Chroma upscaling is the setting you are looking for when watching 4K rips. You should create a seperate profile for this.   
Hi, why is rendering so high when watching a 4k HDR movie for chroma, no upscaling should be taking place if i'm outputting in 4k and passing HDR thru.  
that was my assumption but madvr is thinking different, i suppose 4K is just another 'profile' as far as madvr is concerned.
as far as i'm aware the HDR passthrough is only to send the metadata to the display to turn on HDR, its then upto the display hdr settings what profile it uses or the user has set. every time i use the 'send metadata' in the hdr settings it breaks so i leave it on auto.

it would be nice if madvr had a 'passthrough untouched' for 2160 native in 'scaling algorithms'


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

yeah HDR is irrelevant, I have a good example here. I have 3 copies of start trek 2009, a standard 1080p bluray, a 4k 2160p rip and a HDR 4k 2160p rip, rendering on the standard bluray is 15ms but its 30 on the 4k copies, chroma is 1.5ms on the 1080p bluray but 15ms, 10x more on the 4k material, surely there should be more upscaling going on for the 1080p copy, i'll ask on the MADVR  forum.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 17:29)mclingo Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 17:16)Warner306 Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 15:57)Bibio Wrote: dont know if its i'm not understanding things regarding 'devices -> display mode ->list all display modes madVR may switch to' and 'scaling algorithms -> (profiles) image upscaling'  i noticed if i put 'list all display modes' in madvr as 2160pxx, 1080pxx, 720pxx. 720 will upscale to 1080 but 1080 would just stay at 1080 and both 720 and 1080 wont upscale to 2160. i removed the 1080 and 720 now they both upscale to 2160 still using the (profiles). is this correct?

btw with a 1050ti trying to upscale 720 to 2160 i cant use NGU sharp high it stutters like mad, i have to drop it down to low.

i also noticed that watching 4k hdr that the chroma is set at NGU sharp. is this madvr deciding this and if so how can i drop it down or to something else, i was thinking creating a profile '4K' in scaling?

also while using kodi-dsplayerx86-madvr with xonfluence skin (i hate the default one) last night (working pretty well) without touching anything it broke. it would not let me exit kodi and would just hang, even after several reboots it was the same so guess what i had to do. :-( luckily i have the settings saved as screen shots :-)
Chroma upscaling is the setting you are looking for when watching 4K rips. You should create a seperate profile for this.    
Hi, why is rendering so high when watching a 4k HDR movie for chroma, no upscaling should be taking place if i'm outputting in 4k and passing HDR thru.   
 You are forgetting the source started with chroma subsampling. It must be chroma upscaled to match the luma layer. All video requires this kind of upscaling. At 4K, this is a big upscale.

Are you using any image enhancements?

Read the section on Scaling in my guide. It explains most of it.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 09:29)Kolabor Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 01:13)Gee11 Wrote: aracnoz pls release a Kodi 18 dsPlayer Build!
 +1 
Wishful thinking. There is no way aracnoz will put this much effort into DSPlayer. He never has in the past. Wait for a stable release.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 20:00)Warner306 Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 17:29)mclingo Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 17:16)Warner306 Wrote: Chroma upscaling is the setting you are looking for when watching 4K rips. You should create a seperate profile for this.   
Hi, why is rendering so high when watching a 4k HDR movie for chroma, no upscaling should be taking place if i'm outputting in 4k and passing HDR thru.   
 You are forgetting the source started with chroma subsampling. It must be chroma upscaled to match the luma layer. All video requires this kind of upscaling. At 4K, this is a big upscale.

Are you using any image enhancements? 
 right got you, someone has just explained that to me on MADVR forum, that makes sense now thanks.

I probably need to look at creating some profiles at some point, i've been trying to keep my setup as simply as possible but its getting to the point where I want more out of it. I'm getting a little more out of my RX460 card, when prices come down i'll probably get a next gen high end AMD.

Thanks for explaining that.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-17

(2018-03-17, 20:06)mclingo Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 20:00)Warner306 Wrote:
(2018-03-17, 17:29)mclingo Wrote: Hi, why is rendering so high when watching a 4k HDR movie for chroma, no upscaling should be taking place if i'm outputting in 4k and passing HDR thru.   
 You are forgetting the source started with chroma subsampling. It must be chroma upscaled to match the luma layer. All video requires this kind of upscaling. At 4K, this is a big upscale.

Are you using any image enhancements?  
 right got you, someone has just explained that to me on MADVR forum, that makes sense now thanks.

I probably need to look at creating some profiles at some point, i've been trying to keep my setup as simply as possible but its getting to the point where I want more out of it. I'm getting a little more out of my RX460 card, when prices come down i'll probably get a next gen high end AMD.

Thanks for explaining that. 
 Again, my guide has many starter profiles. Some with resolution alone. And some with frame rate and resolution incorporated together.


RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mkohman - 2018-03-18

Hey guys, last night I tried the EVGA 1050ti SSC card and whilst it seemed to play well with normal 1080p video's, when downscaling 4K to 1080p in the meantime as my 4K projector hasn't arrived yet (Tuesday) it was flickering with a green screen for some reason? Doesn't anyone knows why this may be? I mean the videos wasn't playing but there was a green screen flickering every other second.. Any assistance would be appreciated thank you.. I was using NGU high setting.. Same settings with the RX560 4GB I don't have any flickering issues but with the 1050ti it seems to be processing faster....
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