Kodi Community Forum
Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Printable Version

+- Kodi Community Forum (https://forum.kodi.tv)
+-- Forum: Support (https://forum.kodi.tv/forumdisplay.php?fid=33)
+--- Forum: General Support (https://forum.kodi.tv/forumdisplay.php?fid=111)
+---- Forum: Windows (https://forum.kodi.tv/forumdisplay.php?fid=59)
+---- Thread: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows (/showthread.php?tid=223175)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mkohman - 2018-03-25

Thank you @Warner360 yes, the files are making it absolutely fine from the server no issues at all.. Shall I try out 64bit Kodi DSPLAYER? I noticed that my sound is ever so slightly out of sync now for some reason...... Hmmm I choose sanear as the audio and wasapi.. Hope this is correct
Also sorry if this is a silly question but what benefit will I get from creating separate profiles?.. I only have 1080p and 4k movies h264 and h265 nothing else..

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-25

(2018-03-25, 21:13)asagala Wrote: @Warner306 read your guide How to setup madVR for Kodi DSPlayer. It helped alot for all the settings. Everything running smoothly.

One question I have that it didnt cover is if windows + kodi should be running in 1080p with refresh rate matching or do you recommend running everything 4k all the time? Right now I am running Kodi + win 1080p and display switches to 4k when it needs to.

Any thoughts?
 I think you can run Kodi and the desktop in 1080p. I would only do this if 3840 x 2160p is causing problems. You can confirm everything is working correctly by checking the GPU control panel during video playback. Does it report the correct resolution at the video refresh rate being played? You want to make sure you are actually upscaling and not sending 1080p to the display.

The guide mentions how to match bit depths and refresh rates for each frame rate. Resolution isn't even mentioned, as it assumed you are using the same resolution for each refresh rate. This is not so in your case. Refresh rate and bit depth matching works with Nvidia but hasn't been tested with AMD. It is detailed in the Devices section of the guide. You can always use 8-bits for everything to simplify things (unless you are needing HDR support with AMD; then you must use 10-bits). You would want to make sure your display is native 10-bit by doing some research before choosing 10/12-bit in madVR and the GPU control panels.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-25

(2018-03-25, 21:17)mkohman Wrote: Thank you @Warner360 yesterday files are making it absolutely fine from the server no issues at all.. Shall I try out 64bit Kodi DSPLAYER? I noticed that my sound is ever so slightly out of sync now for some reason...... Hmmm I choose sanear as the audio and wasapi.. Hope this is correct
Also sorry if this is a silly question but what benefit will I get from creating separate profiles?.. I only have 1080p and 4k movies h264 and h265 nothing else..
 64-bit DSPlayer won't change anything and could actually make things worse. The sound sync could be your AVR. Sanear and WASAPI Exclusive are the correct choices if bitstreaming (provided you selected allow bitstreaming). If bitstreaming, use whatever works; whatever you were using before. You need two profiles. One for 1080p and one for 4K. One uses image upscaling and the other doesn't. So you want to maximize everything for 1080p and maximize everything for 4K. You only need to worry about the settings under scaling.

My guide covers how to create profile rules. Your rules would be as follows:

if (srcWidth > 1920) "2160p"
else if (srcWidth <= 1920) and (srcHeight > 1080) "2160p"

else "1080p"

Create two folders under scaling with the names "2160p" and "1080p". Paste the profile rules above.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-25

(2018-03-25, 21:13)asagala Wrote: @Warner306 read your guide How to setup madVR for Kodi DSPlayer. It helped alot for all the settings. Everything running smoothly.

One question I have that it didnt cover is if windows + kodi should be running in 1080p with refresh rate matching or do you recommend running everything 4k all the time? Right now I am running Kodi + win 1080p and display switches to 4k when it needs to.

Any thoughts?
 doesnt windows look a bit fuzzy in 1080p mode on a 4k TV, mine does, I couldnt live with that.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Shogunreaper - 2018-03-25

is there a way to update the dsplayer madvr?

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - spencerjford - 2018-03-26

there is no DSPlayer madVR.  they are separate programs (so to speak)   

Update madVR by downloading it and putting it in the same directory you originally put it.  

madVR is offered outside of DSPlayer and thus is not packaged with DSPlayer.  (DSPlayer just "calls it" and uses it.")

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mkohman - 2018-03-26

I discovered that 90% of my faults (drop outs, cutting out resolution change from 4K to 1080 and back again, blue screens etc.. ) were all down to the cable I was using..

The Ruipro cable fixed all the drop outs and blue screens I was getting after stopping playback.. That's my fault for messing around with the Amazon redmere cables I had purchased. I will be sending those back now.. The Ruipro is very good .. It detects HDR and sends the signal directly to the JVC like it should be and HDR kicks in ..

Couple of things I noticed however.. When HDR is active it automatically sets the Gamma to HDR (ST.2084) which looks stunning, however I noticed it crushes a lot of the dark and black areas.. So I experimented and changed the Gamma for HDR to B and that was a bit better for the blacks (in brought back highlights in the blacks) but the brighter scenes were not as good as when they were with (ST.2084) gamma.. Hard to explain but has anyone else experiemented with this at all? would like to know what others use for the Gamma setting with HDR content..

Also Those with HTPC.. Do you set your desktop resolution to 4K or 1080p? and what colour space are we supposed to set desktop as within the GPU? RGB Full 4:4:4 or YcBcR ? Thank you.. 

Here are some pics with Gamma at HDR (ST.2084)
Image

and now with Gamma for HDR set to B:
Image

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - spencerjford - 2018-03-26

madVR outputs to RBG, so it's best to be in an RGB mode, so the color conversion is not done by the gpu (back to YcBcR) keeping the signal more "pure" to the TV. 

That's what I've gathered from reading the madVR thread.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mkohman - 2018-03-26

Thanks. So what you are saying is set my desktop at FULL RGB 4.4.4 10 or 12 bit? MADVR output to 0-255 and the projector to Auto?

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-26

ah yes, the old 8/10/12 bit  444 full RGB vs YBCR - this is another minefield.

If you have a lot of 4k HDR material and  you have an AMD card then you want to run your PC in 10 bit mode, however your pc wont support 4:4:4 FULL RGB 60hz in 10 bit. So, you either have to set your desktop at 4:4:4 8bit and hope it switches to 10bit when you play a HDR or 4k Movie or like me sack it off and just run the entire show in 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 10 bit.

When I run my PC in 4:2:2 10 bit I get drops outs now and again and I havent been able to track down where they come from, i'm on my 3rd set of HDMI cables, so I run my PC in 4:2:0. I am aware this can reduce quality due to an extra conversion from 4:2:0>4:4:4 RGB for output but I see no difference at all in quality at all, nada, nothing.

for now anyway i've opted for stability and simplicity over the best possible picture quality as the difference must be so  tiny in real world viewing that i cant see if from 8ft away on my 65 inch TV, so this argument for me is moot.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - spencerjford - 2018-03-26

@mclingo i've found that when the desktop turns to 23p you load up the amd settings and select 10:12 bit ..whatever you like/looks best and it remembers it.  even through reboots.

(i've finally gotten a 4k, hdr tv, a sony branded one, but no 3d, as i'm not interested in 3d whatsoever)

I was having the dropouts when i was using your recommendations of 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 with the YcBcR settings, until i went back to FULL RGB 8 bit desktop and on 23p change, going into the amd settings panel and selecting 10 bit.  

Lucky for us, this works and holds true, but as we've seen on the madVR forums, it's not working through reboots with an nVidia card.  Which is rough for them.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-03-26

(2018-03-26, 14:04)spencerjford Wrote: @mclingo i've found that when the desktop turns to 23p you load up the amd settings and select 10:12 bit ..whatever you like/looks best and it remembers it.  even through reboots.

(i've finally gotten a 4k, hdr tv, a sony branded one, but no 3d, as i'm not interested in 3d whatsoever)

I was having the dropouts when i was using your recommendations of 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 with the YcBcR settings, until i went back to FULL RGB 8 bit desktop and on 23p change, going into the amd settings panel and selecting 10 bit.  

Lucky for us, this works and holds true, but as we've seen on the madVR forums, it's not working through reboots with an nVidia card.  Which is rough for them.
interesting, I might look at that again then, thanks for your feedback.

I love my 3D though, its unbelievably good on a 65 inch OLED, it wipes the floor with HDR for impact and immersion, its better than cinema 3D due to better blacks and contrast, it really is. If LG was still doing 3D OLEDS I would have replaced mine for a newer model by now.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Bibio - 2018-03-26

if you have an AVR connected to the HTPC then you need to turn "Video/signal" processing to off/auto in the AVR settings. this lets the video signal pass through to the display/projector 'untouched'. this lets the AVR pass 0-255.
while your in there turn off 'audio sync'.

set your display/projector black level to high, this lets you use 0-255. when you set the black level to high it usually makes the picture look 'washed out'. once the black levels are set to high, you then tweak the settings on the display/projector to bring the black levels back. this will involve turning the brightness down. also turn off 'audio sync'.
as with the AVR you also need to turn off all signal processing on your display/projector unless you want your display/projector to do the upscaling.

if your GPU has onboard sound and lets face it what dont these days then disable the onboard sound in the bios of your motherboard. this stops any confusion as to what sound device to use.
i could be wrong but the dsplayer sound configuration e.g. LAV filters takes control of the video playback sound and disables the kodi -> system -> sound, but to stop confusion set this to 'system default' which will be your GPU onboard sound (this is why you turn off the sound in your MB Bios).

dont let dsplayer manage madVR. letting dsplayer manage madvr messes with your settings as you dont have full control inside dsplayer, well you do but i find it confusing.
with madvr you can test different profile settings 'on the fly' to do this launch madvr control panel then launch kodi and then play a video, madvr will be in front of the player which allows you to tweak the settings as your watching the video 'on the fly' so you can see the results.
dont always aim for 'high' settings. it matters not what scaling algorithm you use, it only matters which one looks the best with your equipment. e.g. if jinc looks better that ngu then use jinc so dont get hung up on which people say is better. same goes for the reset, this is why its best to set them 'on the fly'. High settings can be very GPU intensive so dont kid yourself if you have low-mid end GPU. its better to sacrifice a ''''little'''' detail to get smooth playback. the higher the original resolution the less effect these settings have. dont use your best material (video) use the worst you have in your collection. for instance i have Demolition Man on DVD (MKV) that i use to set 720p the quality is absolutely shocking but when i got that to look good the rest of my 720p material looks superb and very near HD terrestrial broadcast quality. make little adjustments at a time and try them all till you find which one looks best on your equipment.

regarding upscaling. only let one item in your chain do this. if your display/projector upscales then you either use/dont use only that device for doing the upscaling, same goes for your AVR and same goes for madvr.
to make madvr upscale then only put the final (upscaled) resolution in madvr settings, devices -> display modes -> list all display modes madvr may switch to:, this is dependant on your display/projector e.g. if your display/projector is a 4k then only use 2160p23, 2160p50, 2160p60.
if you want your AVR or display/projector to do the upscaling then instead of just 2160pxx you need to add the other resolutions as well e.g. 2160p23, 1080p23, 720pxx, 2160p60. depending on if you use PAL or NTSC you would substitute xx in the 720pxx for your tv spec for PAL set to 50 for NTSC set to 60.
if you cant turn off upscaling on your display/projector then leave it on but still set it up in madvr so your display/projector 'thinks' is a higher resolution so does no upscaling.

it matters not what your desktop display resolution is set to regarding video play back, this is only for when you are back in kodi, kodi will automatically use the desktop settings so dont muck about with the setting in kodi.
once you start to play a video madvr will switch to the display mode you tell it to in the settings.

create profiles for everything in madvr, this gives you full control of each resolution.

have a play with madvr, display modes -> custom modes. this can improve sound/playback integration a lot. i no longer have to 'sync sound' so i switch this off (i have noticed a few things regarding this while using an nvidia gpu but will go into it later)

madvr -> general settings > cpu/gpu queue size. my understanding of this (i could be wrong) is that its the same as a memory buffer. think of a full bucket of water with a hole in the bottom and a tap letting water in. if you turn the tap up too much you get overflow if you dont turn the tap on enough you run out of water in the bucket. the secret is keeping the bucket full with a steady stream of water.
if your having problems with 'stutter' (these are usually large 'block' more of a 'jump' size stutters and not smaller 'resolution' stutters) it can sometimes be the queue size being too large on so try turning them down 1 point at a time till things stabilise. this is also true for when you have things set up and you want to do 'final tweaking'.

let dsplayer control the LAV filters, dsplayer is actually very good at doing this regarding the GUI inside kodi/dsplayer.

the last bit of tweaking you should do is your display/projector settings for things like colour, gamma, contrast etc.etc

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-03-26

(2018-03-26, 05:06)mkohman Wrote: I discovered that 90% of my faults (drop outs, cutting out resolution change from 4K to 1080 and back again, blue screens etc.. ) were all down to the cable I was using..

The Ruipro cable fixed all the drop outs and blue screens I was getting after stopping playback.. That's my fault for messing around with the Amazon redmere cables I had purchased. I will be sending those back now.. The Ruipro is very good .. It detects HDR and sends the signal directly to the JVC like it should be and HDR kicks in ..

Couple of things I noticed however.. When HDR is active it automatically sets the Gamma to HDR (ST.2084) which looks stunning, however I noticed it crushes a lot of the dark and black areas.. So I experimented and changed the Gamma for HDR to B and that was a bit better for the blacks (in brought back highlights in the blacks) but the brighter scenes were not as good as when they were with (ST.2084) gamma.. Hard to explain but has anyone else experiemented with this at all? would like to know what others use for the Gamma setting with HDR content..

Also Those with HTPC.. Do you set your desktop resolution to 4K or 1080p? and what colour space are we supposed to set desktop as within the GPU? RGB Full 4:4:4 or YcBcR ? Thank you.. 

Here are some pics with Gamma at HDR (ST.2084)
Image

and now with Gamma for HDR set to B:
Image
 The HDR (ST.2084) gamma is the "right" one, but every display has its own way of interpreting this gamma and doing it's tone mapping, so this is not standardized. So you could use any gamma, as long as it looks good to you.

You should set your desktop to RGB Full at 8-bits at 60 Hz because it is a PC not a video player. Play a video with a different refresh rate and return to the GPU control panel. Now set the bit depth to 10-bits for each video fps. You will need 10-bits for HDR to engage on your display with AMD cards. This also requires your projector's black level is set to RGB Full.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - hifihedgehog - 2018-03-26

Is there a workaround for getting DSPlayer+MadVR to play Blu-ray ISOs with the latest version of Kodi DSPlayer 17.6? I have literally over a thousand Blu-rays (nearly all are ISOs, unfortunately) and I would like to play them using DSPlayer. I just tried installing AV Splitter (last stable x86 release, since the x64 version could not even be configured), made sure it was installed with "Register Source Filter..." and "Support .bdmv..." options checked and added it in Kodi as an extra filter. Next, I also tried using AV Splitter with this media rules and filters configuration ( https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=106629&pid=1233762#pid1233762 ). Neither worked. I will most gladly offer compensation via PayPal as additional incentive to anyone who can help.