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RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - da3dsoul - 2018-09-02

I've not experienced any of the issues that you reported. You may want to consult people about your settings. I use the default except I swapped the video renderer and added some madvr config.

One thing that definitely causes dropped frames or blanks is having settings too high for your hardware. MadVR is something that you need a decent GPU and CPU for.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-09-02

(2018-09-02, 19:44)cable_cutter Wrote: What are everyone's long term plans?  

I'm really liking the video quality with MadVR + Kodi.  But if this fork is truly abandoned, then it will start getting more and more outdated over time.  It's already feeling a little chunky for me: few seconds of black screen when starting up or stopping a movie, no netflix / amazon support, random crashes or needs to be restarted to fix a glitch with audio / whatnot.

Is there any alternative out there?  Anything on the horizon that you're considering jumping to?
This fork has definitely been abandoned, but that doesn't mean updates are impossible or won't ever come in the future. It is hard to find a replacement who is passionate about a closed-source project like madVR managed by one person, madshi, and an open-source project commissioned by a team of Team Kodi volunteers. They would be a rare breed of programmer. 

aracnoz never logs into his account, unless he is here to provide a new build. Now that there is a Beta of v18 available, there could be some small hope of a merge in the near future before a final version of v18 is available, but that is unlikely and would probably require a lot of work to manage the thousands of past commits and a new 64-bit Windows build. We can only hope aracnoz is still out there and healthy because he would likely be aware that his active download links have been hit hundreds or thousands of times by new and past DSPlayer users, and he has provided final builds in the past for a couple of years now. Even then, when v18 is available, someone, possibly me, may attempt to merge the existing DSPlayer codebase into v18. This would take a lot of time and the code may not work any longer due to major changes to Kodi since the last version.

I'm not sure why DSPlayer would become any more clunky, besides any issues brought by the Windows 1803 update. Black screens can be caused by fullscreen exclusive mode, which doesn't work well with Windows 10. This has to be addressed by some type of alternative in madVR. DSPlayer doesn't depend on the Kodi video engine, so it shouldn't be any less stable than it used to be. You can replace the audio renderer, subtitle filter and update LAV Filters to have the latest components. Random crashes of Kodi are supposed to be addressed in v18 by making Kodi more stable. A potential issue on the horizon with madVR is that it is going to become a native D3D11 app. There is a checkbox in DSPlayer for D3D11 presentation that overrides the madVR control panel, and these checkboxes could break madVR support in the future. I hope those few DSPlayer settings are removed for that reason, if aracnoz provides a build for v18.

As for alternatives, MediaPortal 1 is an excellent media front-end with plenty of customization, add-on support and madVR integration. It is not Kodi, though. JRiver Media Center is probably the best media player on Windows for being able to play everything, even with menus, in high quality, but its media front-end is nowhere near as robust and customizable as Kodi or MediaPortal. If DSPlayer ever became non-functional, I would go back to core Kodi builds and use either MPC-BE, MPC-HC or PotPlayer as my media player. You would lose resume functionality from Kodi and the integrated OSD, but I am watching videos most of the time, not the OSD. I still do constant testing with MPC-BE because it is a better media player.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - brazen1 - 2018-09-02

You wouldn't lose "resume functionality" when using core KODI.  Depending on your external player of choice, MPC-BE your preference for example, has settings to resume where you left off and your KODI skin will indicate 'in progress'.  Upon completion, your skin will update status to 'watched' as well.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - ashlar - 2018-09-03

For me the thing that would hurt the most in going to an external player solution would be the absence of subtitles plugins. One can clearly start in VideoPlayer, download the relevant sub, stop and relaunch with external player. But that's not really user friendly.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-09-03

Hi, looking for some help with my Arctis 7 wireless headphones and bitstreaming. Can anyone think of any reason bitstreaming would not work with KODI DS when its working with MPC using external LAV filters, I have everything checked and on in DS player settings but I get nothing at all. Works ok with bitstreaming off.

Could there be something i've missed. Also works using standard onboard KODI player, just not DS suggesting a problem with the onboard LAV setup maybe but I cant find anything wrong.

EDIT - This is starting to ring a bell, think i've had this before, bitstreaming only works with movie players using external LAV filters, as we cant get external filters into KODI DS this is never going to work, going to have to drop to PCM.

EDIT 2 - just worked out whats going on, NEV has recently put a bitsreaming fallback option in LAV filters, KODI doesnt have the latest LAV filters it doesnt have this, so... far from bitstreaming working with my headphones where i'm getting sound what is actually happening is that LAV is falling back to PCM mode. 

I tested my theory but installing some old LAV filters into MPC-HC and low and behold no sound.

So the issue is that the ARTIS 7 has stopped supporting bitstreaming or has never done, need to find out.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-09-03

is there an easy way to hack the latest LAV filters into this build do we think, surely just copying them into the folder wont work?

EDIT - doh, why didnt i think of that before, it worked, i'm guessing you lot are already doing that when a new LAV version comes out?

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - oldpainless - 2018-09-03

Hi, it's been covered a few times here, but - 

If you are using the 32 bit version of DSplayer, install the latest LAV nightly, then copy the files in 
C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x86

and paste the files into

C:\Program Files (x86)\Kodi\system\players\dsplayer\LAVFilters

If using the 64bit version of Dsplayer, copy the files from C:\Program Files (x86)\LAV Filters\x64

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RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - mclingo - 2018-09-03

I didnt think you could update this version, was probably thinking of MADVR, cheers.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - brazen1 - 2018-09-03

(2018-09-03, 12:34)ashlar Wrote: For me the thing that would hurt the most in going to an external player solution would be the absence of subtitles plugins. One can clearly start in VideoPlayer, download the relevant sub, stop and relaunch with external player. But that's not really user friendly.
 'Download subtitles' is a function in MPC players, commonly used with madVR.  You can press 'D' on your keyboard or map it to your remote control.  You don't have to leave anything.  You also have the option of assigning any url you want.  Subscene is the default I think.  You don't even need a plugin.  Imo, this is user friendly although I never use it or KODIs'.  Let's face it, the fact is, snagging a subtitle within the KODI GUI or the player GUI isn't exactly optimal.  You get no preview.  You get no guarantee the ones that scroll by are what you desire - sub for foreign spoken language only for example.  When you rip your disc, you should have included the exact sub you wanted anyway.  If you failed to do this or the exact sub wasn't included on the disc in the first place, personally I think going to a site that offers subs and previewing your choices after setting filters is the way to go.  I certainly don't agree occasional subtitle hassles hurt external player considerations anymore than using the KODI method.  Afaik, they are exactly the same given you use a player offering the function such as MPC.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - Warner306 - 2018-09-04

I don't know if anyone has mentioned the listed upgrades to VideoPlayer for Windows v18. For those who are curious, there is now 3D LUT support, experimental support for 10-bit passthrough via AdvancedSettings.xml and dithering for the conversion from 16-235 to 0-255. There was also a commit to the main branch a long time ago to improve the accuracy of the conversion to sRGB. I don't know if this commit impacts Windows.

You would probably have to use Pixel Shader rather than DXVA rendering to benefit from any of this. Most here might not be swayed to go back to VideoPlayer, but it has received some meaningful upgrades.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - spencerjford - 2018-09-04

@Warner306 i can't find the info for this hidden advancedsettings 10bit information!

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - brazen1 - 2018-09-04

<advancedsettings>
  <video>
   <allowdiscretedecoder>false</allowdiscretedecoder>
   <try10bitoutput>true</try10bitoutput>
  </video>
</advancedsettings>

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - asagala - 2018-09-04

Any hdr support?

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - oldpainless - 2018-09-04

(2018-09-04, 01:57)Warner306 Wrote: I don't know if anyone has mentioned the listed upgrades to VideoPlayer for Windows v18. For those who are curious, there is now 3D LUT support, experimental support for 10-bit passthrough via AdvancedSettings.xml and dithering for the conversion from 16-235 to 0-255. There was also a commit to the main branch a long time ago to improve the accuracy of the conversion to sRGB. I don't know if this commit impacts Windows.

You would probably have to use Pixel Shader rather than DXVA rendering to benefit from any of this. Most here might not be swayed to go back to VideoPlayer, but it has received some meaningful upgrades.
All good stuff, but, I cant see me ever moving away from Dsplayer with MadVR, even if I have to stick with the current version, as I'm almost 100% using it for viewing local content - video addons are simply a nice to have for me.

RE: Kodi DSPlayer – DirectShow Player for Windows - entourage2111 - 2018-09-04

(2018-08-30, 17:59)Warner306 Wrote: I think you should try MPC-BE. There is no limitation with a GTX 1080 Ti when it comes to 4K 60 fps. And there are some out there that I know of that are using NGU very high to upscale 1080p -> 4K.

Try downloading MSI Afterburner and resetting the clocks on your GPU to the defaults. And then maybe try a slight overclock. The GPU doesn't seem to be performing properly. Don't do this until you test with another media player to rule out DSPlayer.

As for your rules, I don't think "other" is a legal value. It might work if you leave this blank or perhaps (AR!=16:9). A 1.85:1 movie should qualify as 16:9.
Just as an update to the problem I was experiencing last week with dropped frames on a 1080ti; I managed to resolve the issue by unchecking the banding and de-ringing options for 4k. It's unnecessary stress on 4k image as they tend not to have ringing. I had to read Warner's guide again which told me this.

As for the profiles to switch between NGU high and low based on aspect ratio, this doesn't work for movies in 2.85:1 (they aren't acknowledged as 16:9). Only actual 16:9 shots i.e. imax shots) switch between the profiles.

I even tried to adjust the profile coding and replace 16:9 with 2.85:1 but this still presents the same issue. Not really a big deal as I've sorted the dropped frames issue but still a bug nonetheless.

And 60fps is still a no go on my 1080ti with my madvr settings. Surprisingly, when resetting the settings to default the problem is sorted. Still - makes me wonder what's going on but because I don't watch 60fps stuff 99.9% of the time, I'm not too fussed.

Thanks as always for your help.