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embrion Offline
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Rizo, the thing is that N2820 is actually Atom. Ask Intel why they change naming like that. N2820 is Bay Trail-M, while 2955U that Chromebox will offer is REAL Celeron based on Haswell architecture.
N2820 performance is a little bit higher than 2-3y old Celeron 847, but still a lot below Celeron 1007U and 1037U which are also not the newest Celerons.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...40+2.13GHz
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...GHz&id=661
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1847
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1988

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=2073 - Celeron 2955U is almost 1.5x faster than N2820 "CeleroAtom" with 65% of clocking of N2820. Where N2820 wins is power consumption but both are rather low.

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They most likely decided that splitting the Bay Trail CPUs into Atom, Celeron, Pentium would be more profitable. The Pentium brand name is more recognized and will allow them to sell the SKU at a higher price. Think they were afraid that the Atoms would cannibalize the I3 CPUs if they kept the Atom branding/prices.

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(2014-02-05 08:43)bmfrosty Wrote:  
(2014-02-04 22:34)jammyb Wrote:  
(2014-02-04 20:50)bmfrosty Wrote:  http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-RHRC-1100...B005ZAK50K

Why the hell would I want a dongle hanging off the front of it? That won't even switch it on from powered off! Why don't you click the links in my sig below and see where i stuck that dongle mate! Then you might realise how stupid Asus are for not putting one in! Wink

For a chromebox? A cheap chromebox? See, the thing is I don't care if you don't want to use the thing, but you came into the thread and made a shit post about not wanting the thing. Why bother posting if it's just going to be a shit post? The world does not revolve around you.

That's a matter of opinion mate Wink and there's no need to get personal bud. We're all keyboard warriors here Rofl

IR is a fundamental part of any HTPC and a lot of us care about what the aesthetics of the end product looks like. Sure, I could mod one in. But with all the new NUCs having it as standard now. Hopefully the others will follow suit as CEC seems to be a lost cause unless you like pi!

Modded MK1 NUC - CLICK ----- NUC Wiki - CLICK

Bay Trail NUC FTW!

I've donated, have you?

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(2014-02-05 09:57)embrion Wrote:  Rizo, the thing is that N2820 is actually Atom. Ask Intel why they change naming like that. N2820 is Bay Trail-M, while 2955U that Chromebox will offer is REAL Celeron based on Haswell architecture.
N2820 performance is a little bit higher than 2-3y old Celeron 847, but still a lot below Celeron 1007U and 1037U which are also not the newest Celerons.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...40+2.13GHz
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...GHz&id=661
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1847
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1988

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=2073 - Celeron 2955U is almost 1.5x faster than N2820 "CeleroAtom" with 65% of clocking of N2820. Where N2820 wins is power consumption but both are rather low.

Yes the Baytrail CPUs are slow as hell, which is the reason I highly avoid them for LiveTV - where we need to deinterlace on the CPU currently. Besides that the GPU is fast enough and should decode everything you want - despite the mentioned postprocessing.
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(2014-02-05 10:44)fritsch Wrote:  
(2014-02-05 09:57)embrion Wrote:  Rizo, the thing is that N2820 is actually Atom. Ask Intel why they change naming like that. N2820 is Bay Trail-M, while 2955U that Chromebox will offer is REAL Celeron based on Haswell architecture.
N2820 performance is a little bit higher than 2-3y old Celeron 847, but still a lot below Celeron 1007U and 1037U which are also not the newest Celerons.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...40+2.13GHz
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...GHz&id=661
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1847
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=1988

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...Hz&id=2073 - Celeron 2955U is almost 1.5x faster than N2820 "CeleroAtom" with 65% of clocking of N2820. Where N2820 wins is power consumption but both are rather low.

Yes the Baytrail CPUs are slow as hell, which is the reason I highly avoid them for LiveTV - where we need to deinterlace on the CPU currently. Besides that the GPU is fast enough and should decode everything you want - despite the mentioned postprocessing.

It's important to note that most of the Baytrail CPUs in current products are either ULV or mobile/tablet. The desktop SKUs should provide considerably more power at the cost of higher power consumption.

These could be interesting:
http://liliputing.com/2014/02/gigabyte-b...chips.html
and especially this one http://www.supermicro.com/products/mothe...X10SBA.cfm

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(2014-02-04 22:42)nooryani84 Wrote:  
(2014-02-04 22:34)jammyb Wrote:  
(2014-02-04 20:50)bmfrosty Wrote:  http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-RHRC-1100...B005ZAK50K

Why the hell would I want a dongle hanging off the front of it? That won't even switch it on from powered off! Why don't you click the links in my sig below and see where i stuck that dongle mate! Then you might realise how stupid Asus are for not putting one in! Wink

Who cares about IR? After using FLIRC I wouldn't dream of using anything else again. Besides, the HTPC will most likely be on 24/7 considering the low power consumption - plus my sitting room isn't so big that it will take me very long to go and turn the HTPC off/on.

i do use IR.... Nod
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This will of course not be suitable for all users, but for it will none the less be a great alternative for many! Smile

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I am also curious about the the ability to decode hi10p content. This seems to be getting more important as 10bit content not only looks better but saves hard drive space. A lot of new content I've been getting has been hi10p encoded not just anime.

Too bad hi10p isn't hardware accelerated.
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I think hi10P is a plague. I can't tell the difference between HiP and a regular encode with a larger file size. All source video starts with 8bit encoding anyways. I would rather just increase the file size and keep compatibility for all devices on the market.
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Very curious about this Hi10p content and where the 10 bit source video is coming from... All DVD, Blu-ray and broadcasts aimed at the home are 4:2:0 8 bit ITU601 or 709 colour space - there isn't any 10 bit consumer material out there.

Broadcast studios and HD production facilities routinely use 4:2:2 rather than 4:2:0 colour space (both in 601 and 709) which would give you a significant increase in vertical chroma res (though it is then asymmetric compared to the horizontal chroma res). Some broadcast material is mastered and edited in the 10 bit domain (and increasingly material is shot 4:4:4 and >8 bit in-camera - but this extra range is used to allow latitude in grading and flattened down to 8 - or in some cases - 10 bit during mastering)

Where are these Hi10p videos coming from and where is the content being sourced from, and are they also higher bit rate and better encoded (i.e. is the bit depth a bit of a red herring - as they are being sourced from 8 bit sources, but being encoded better so appear to look better)? Do the people releasing this stuff have access to 10 bit VT content on DigiBeta or HD Cam SR??

BTW - just installed a Feb OpenElec Nightly on an Acer C720 Chromebook with a Haswell 2955U and it appears to handle 1080/50i UK DVB-T2 broadcasts from an external TV Headend server reasonably well. This was with VAAPI decoding and software de-interlacing (YADIF presumably)
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(2014-02-05 19:38)calev Wrote:  I think hi10P is a plague. I can't tell the difference between HiP and a regular encode with a larger file size. All source video starts with 8bit encoding anyways. I would rather just increase the file size and keep compatibility for all devices on the market.

(2014-02-06 04:08)noggin Wrote:  Very curious about this Hi10p content and where the 10 bit source video is coming from... All DVD, Blu-ray and broadcasts aimed at the home are 4:2:0 8 bit ITU601 or 709 colour space - there isn't any 10 bit consumer material out there.

Broadcast studios and HD production facilities routinely use 4:2:2 rather than 4:2:0 colour space (both in 601 and 709) which would give you a significant increase in vertical chroma res (though it is then asymmetric compared to the horizontal chroma res). Some broadcast material is mastered and edited in the 10 bit domain (and increasingly material is shot 4:4:4 and >8 bit in-camera - but this extra range is used to allow latitude in grading and flattened down to 8 - or in some cases - 10 bit during mastering)

Where are these Hi10p videos coming from and where is the content being sourced from, and are they also higher bit rate and better encoded (i.e. is the bit depth a bit of a red herring - as they are being sourced from 8 bit sources, but being encoded better so appear to look better)? Do the people releasing this stuff have access to 10 bit VT content on DigiBeta or HD Cam SR??

BTW - just installed a Feb OpenElec Nightly on an Acer C720 Chromebook with a Haswell 2955U and it appears to handle 1080/50i UK DVB-T2 broadcasts from an external TV Headend server reasonably well. This was with VAAPI decoding and software de-interlacing (YADIF presumably)


Agreed. A lot of the fansubbers are nutters though. I used to be one of the, and I'd be more than happy with 480p XviD with hard subs, but that's just me. The argument is that you can take a full bitrate broadcast (mpeg2!) and recompress it smaller with the same quality loss using hi10p, and that it is a unique set of qualities in anime that allows that.

Unfortunately, if you read the boards, most of the fansubbers don't give a shit if you're not trying to watch your fansubs in windows on a fairly high end processor, and will likely come forward with abuse if you do speak up.

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This is getting a bit off topic...

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(2014-02-06 09:10)nooryani84 Wrote:  This is getting a bit off topic...

Agreed. Will probably be a bit dead until the devices are available.

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Hi,

It seems it's not fanless Sad

French site reported that.
Translation:
Contrary to earlier information on this Asus Chromebox outputs, the French branch of the brand confirms that it will be ventilated. Heat dissipation of 15 watts is too important to work with a single sink.

Source:
http://www.minimachines.net/actu/la-asus...less-14729
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Maybe fan/no fan is dependent on processor. Celery-i3 no fan, i5-7 fan?

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