selling kodi any others mad about it
#1
Why are people charging huge amount of money for devices with kodi installed. I have gotten in a few discussions with people selling stuff. Is anyone other than me get mad about this. any time I see some one selling it and I have a chance to comment I inform the potential dup that kodi is a free open source program and send them here. Is there anything that can be?
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#2
i think they don't sell kodi but a already configured system. not all peoples are geek like us!
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#3
Thats the pity with people which didn't learn a proper job. They need to make money with the work of others. It makes me only mad when they connect their "fully loaded" boxes with our name (xbmc or kodi) which connects the whole project with bootleg content...
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#4
I think that's what get me they have the get all new movies ppv and live tv for free with the kodi logo right by it. And sell there fire stick for $150 and gets mad at me when I tell the people interested in it that it is all free software and the add-ons they are using are kind of questionable on how legal they are
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#5
that's true, you are right.
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#6
Yeah, I don't have a problem with people selling Kodi boxes. Heck, I think the idea is pretty good if done in a cool way. My only real objection is selling Kodi boxes that blast people with bootleg content and connect our name with piracy or says "Kodi has tons of free tv," which simply isn't accurate at all. Some website host out there has tons of free, illegally streaming TV and some d-bag decided to write an addon that streams from that guy's website. It has literally nothing to do with Kodi, unless you want to make the argument that Firefox has tons of free streaming porn, because it's pretty easy to get to streaming porn websites if you know their URLs. Blerg.
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#7
So when I see people advertising there said device that a lowes them all that free stuff. Am I in the right to tell them that that is illegal? I know kodi it's self is not but what they are doing is am I correct? Or is it kind of a gray area
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#8
A lot of that bootleg crap also BREAKS and then those people come to these forums, having no clue that they got scammed, and are turned away because there's no support for those kinds of add-ons here. So a lot of those Kodi box sellers are taking advantage of people.
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#9
Yeah it ticks me off to, Not only because the association of Kodi with Piracy, But also you know these people aren't donating any of this money to any of the amazing, hardworking developers. also ticks me off because you know the folks selling this aren't supporting it, Sure all the pirate addons they throw in work for first day, week even month, But eventually it breaks and people realize they just spent bunch of money on a temporary fix. Kinda a perfect Scam, and that is exactly what they are doing is scamming.

But I sadly don't see what anyone can do about it.

I don't think selling a device with Kodi on it itself is illegal, But I'm sure selling anything that facilitates TV and especially Movie piracy is definitely illegal. But to say it's illegal you would have to know for sure that's the addons they are using. Because there are still many legit addons that provide legal access to movies, shows and music.
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#10
That pisses me off as well, that's why I nowadays keep my only kodi participation to these forums and nowhere else. Also I try to report any posts against the forum rules as soon as I notice them so they can be quickly binned. Just sick and tired of the same subjects every single day, everywhere. It got to a ridiculous point in which I refrain from commenting anything related to kodi in social networks to avoid my own "friends" to moan about kodi issues or similar stuff. As if magically I was the carrier of all world's free tv, movies, sports or whatever they think kodi is.

It seems that more recently things have "moved along" and since making addons still gives a bit of work, the big new hype is the pseudo "iptv". More and more custom iptv services everywhere being sold to illiterate people at derisive prices. As if it was not enough, today not only the box full of crap is that expensive but they also end up paying for a shitty "iptv" service that in most cases are just public lists or web tv streams. Even if they are not, I doubt the seller has any decent upload rate to assure a consistent service. These iptv services seem to be quite popular in countries like switzerland where there are some laws that forbid people from having satellite dishes. Rough calculations on the price these guys charge for their service leads to values far above what I pay my tv provider for their service. It seems rather ilogical that there are people that pay for it but if the market exists, costumers are also likely to exist.

I actually sort of had an idea that could help dealing with all that crap. Recently when renting a room for a family member. I was contacted by a foreign person interested in renting the room. He/she provided copies of his/her id card and provided a lot of other aditional personal information. However there was something strange in that email. Either some words used, some parts of his/her story that didn't make much sense. A quick google search for this person's email address led to loads of scam databases reporting similar activities by the same person. Sites such as scamdex.com or other quite similar I hadn't even heard about.

I though something similar might be made for kodi or other open-source projects. Either a custom scam reporting website or using another that might already exist. While one can easily argue that it is some kind of free publicity to those services/sellers I doubt anyone will be encouraged to buy anything from someone that has his email/website/phone number next to this:

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I believe people still have a bit of common sense and like me and my example above will do a quick google search if something doesn't sound right. Like for example: "watch every movie ever made".

Cheers,

enen
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#11
I am a member of a Classic VW forum. It has a General Chat section and the topic of Kodi and Media Centres come up regularly. There is one member of this site that is continually looking for ways of getting something for nothing, but he has no idea how to achieve what he wants to do. In the last 3 months he has gone through a Raspberry Pi and a couple of Android TV boxes. Basically he buys a preconfigured Kodi system it works for a while and then the illegal addons begin to break he then goes back to the eBay seller complaining only to discover that the software was offered with no warranty whatsoever, he then bleats on the forum for someone to tell him how to fix it. No one will tell him how to fix it as the general feeling of the forum is that piracy is bad. Most people will tell him that if he wants to fix it then he'll have to learn to do it himself, which he won't do. He then throws the first box away and gets another, then the circle starts again.

Who is at fault here? Answer, eBay. eBay is full of Kodi boxes advertising all the dodgy addons, we all know the names of them (MashUp, IceFilms, NaviX and so on). eBay should not be allowing the sale of devices with these addons included. People see these boxes on eBay and because eBay is a legitimate site they actually believe that these addons are legal and they are part of Kodi. The people buying these boxes generally have no technical ability whatsoever and would not be able to build a Kodi box with all these addons themselves. If eBay took action against the purveyors of these boxes then the market would drop, but they won't.

Also I am not at all saying that all sellers of Kodi boxes on eBay are selling dodgy installs.
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#12
I suppose the developers could put a security check that would prohibit any add-on that wasn't from the official repository from functioning. Then the issue becomes open sourced software modified by hackers, and the whole process of what is a legitimate legal add-on (that is a big can of worms) and leaves Kodi and the process open for litigation.

Home theatre enthusiasts are generally not cord/cable cutters, and if these boxes are their fist exposure to Kodi, fair enough, this forum is dealing with the consequence of that. Changing the name was the first step, the program could easily be modified to exclude 3rd party add-ons but that wouldn't please too many users. Opening up this media player to entry level boxes, like the Pi and android devices allows what was once a small niche interest to move more mainstream and start to give entertainment control back to the families and out of the hands of money grubbing middle men who are the real parasites of the creative industry.
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#13
(2015-03-10, 17:51)PatK Wrote: I suppose the developers could put a security check that would prohibit any add-on that wasn't from the official repository from functioning. Then the issue becomes open sourced software modified by hackers, and the whole process of what is a legitimate legal add-on (that is a big can of worms) and leaves Kodi and the process open for litigation.

Home theatre enthusiasts are generally not cord/cable cutters, and if these boxes are their fist exposure to Kodi, fair enough, this forum is dealing with the consequence of that. Changing the name was the first step, the program could easily be modified to exclude 3rd party add-ons but that wouldn't please too many users. Opening up this media player to entry level boxes, like the Pi and android devices allows what was once a small niche interest to move more mainstream and start to give entertainment control back to the families and out of the hands of money grubbing middle men who are the real parasites of the creative industry.

That's not really an option. Being a 3rd party repo doesn't mean the addon by itself contains piracy links or something similar. There are a lot of rules for addons to be in the official repository it they for instance ship closed source binaries they are automatically excluded hence justifying the existance of a 3rd party repo. Also 3rd party repos can be used to share unstable versions of addons being developed. Also the addons on the official repo do not receive updates right away (there is always a small time frame) while with a 3rd party repo one can push an update instantaneously.
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(2015-03-10, 17:51)PatK Wrote: I suppose the developers could put a security check that would prohibit any add-on that wasn't from the official repository from functioning. Then the issue becomes open sourced software modified by hackers, and the whole process of what is a legitimate legal add-on (that is a big can of worms) and leaves Kodi and the process open for litigation.

Home theatre enthusiasts are generally not cord/cable cutters, and if these boxes are their fist exposure to Kodi, fair enough, this forum is dealing with the consequence of that. Changing the name was the first step, the program could easily be modified to exclude 3rd party add-ons but that wouldn't please too many users. Opening up this media player to entry level boxes, like the Pi and android devices allows what was once a small niche interest to move more mainstream and start to give entertainment control back to the families and out of the hands of money grubbing middle men who are the real parasites of the creative industry.

I am very much a cable cutter. But I only used addons that offer streams from legitimate sources (BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, YouTube and so on). I use a Raspberry Pi for Kodi and a Chromecast for everything else (BT Sport, 4oD, Channel 5, TV Catchup). I use Kodi for Movies too, which I rip from the original media. This has saved me a fortune annually, about £700. All good, this has allowed me to invest in a Home Theatre setup that I am extremely happy with. I have not felt the need to start streaming content that is obviously from a dubious source. eBay are allowing people to market software that is ripping the movie industry off and it is completely unchecked, it is a ludicrous state of affairs. eBay are allowing consumers to unwittingly buy products that let them break the law and are frankly unreliable, that are giving the Kodi community a bad name and give legitimate cable cutters everywhere a bad name too.
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(2015-03-10, 17:51)PatK Wrote: I suppose the developers could put a security check that would prohibit any add-on that wasn't from the official repository from functioning. Then the issue becomes open sourced software modified by hackers, and the whole process of what is a legitimate legal add-on (that is a big can of worms) and leaves Kodi and the process open for litigation.

Home theatre enthusiasts are generally not cord/cable cutters, and if these boxes are their fist exposure to Kodi, fair enough, this forum is dealing with the consequence of that. Changing the name was the first step, the program could easily be modified to exclude 3rd party add-ons but that wouldn't please too many users. Opening up this media player to entry level boxes, like the Pi and android devices allows what was once a small niche interest to move more mainstream and start to give entertainment control back to the families and out of the hands of money grubbing middle men who are the real parasites of the creative industry.

Besides what enen92 said, Being that Kodi is also Open Source, All doing that would result in is a bunch of modified Kodi releaases floating around. It would be super easy for someone to reverse a change like that, Wouldn't really even need to know how to code. I don't think Kodi is even close to being open for litigation, I mean, really when you think about it, exactly who would they sue and for what exactly?
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