Why bitstreaming sometimes sounds much better than PCM
#16
(2017-04-10, 14:15)Soli Wrote: It's not my terminology. Feel free to send a mail to Dolby asking for clarification. DVD and Bluray players do a simple "downmix". LFE is *always* discarded in x.0 downmixes.
(2017-04-10, 23:16)Soli Wrote: which in turn will result in no LFE in not only 2.0 output, but any x.0 output.

Interesting statements..

This is what you can find in ATSC A/52, ETSI TS 102 366

Quote:Downmixing of the lfe channel is optional. An ideal downmix would have the lfe channel reproduce at an acoustic level of +10 dB with respect to the left and right channels. Since the inclusion of this channel is optional, any downmix coefficient may be used in practice. Care should be taken to assure that loudspeakers are not overdriven by the full scale low frequency content of the lfe channel.
ATSC - page 92, ETSI - page 79

Quote:2.3.1.11 lfemixlevcod - LFE mix level code - 5 Bits
The lfemixlevcod 5 bit code specifies the level at which the LFE data is mixed into the Left and Right channels during downmixing. The LFE mix level (in dB) shall be derived from the LFE mix level code according to the following formula:
LFE mix level (dB) = 10 - LFE mix level code
As the valid values for the LFE mix level code are 0 to 31, the valid values for the LFE mix level are therefore +10 to -21 dB. For more information on LFE mixing, please refer to Section E3.9.
ATSC - page 163, ETSI - page 131

Quote:3.9 LFE downmixing decoder description
For decoders with only 2-channel or mono outputs, where a dedicated LFE/Subwoofer output is not available, E-AC-3 enables the LFE channel audio to be mixed into the Left and Right channels at a level indicated by the LFE mix level code bit stream parameter. LFE downmixing occurs only if the LFE mix level code parameter is present in the bit stream and the decoder is operating in 1/0 (C only) or 2/0 (L/R) output modes with the LFE channel output disabled. For all other output modes, the LFE mixing information, if present, is ignored. Note that lfemixlevcode should be assumed to be 0 when it is not transmitted in the bit stream. For the 1/0 case, the decoder should perform a standard 2/0 downmix with the LFE mixed into the Left and Right channels, followed by a subsequent mix of the L/R channels to a mono C channel.
ATSC - page 230, ETSI - page 176
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#17
yes, yes and yes. These are papers regarding set top boxes. For some reason they have gone against Dolby's recommendation of not including LFE in downmix. (the papers doesn't actually say 2.0 downmix, but who are we kidding) AVRs don't (technically) *downmix* so this obviously doesn't cater to them.. And dvd/bluray players still discard LFE when mixdown to 2.0 since they follow Dolbys recommendation, and also discarding LFE will probably drive profits up because of less warranty issues.

..And TBH I don't think any broadcaster are using these metadata in their programming, so probably LFE is discarded in the set-top boxes too, in about 99,99999% of the time, but I'm happy to be proven wrong Smile
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