[Dorfus]

Aaaand MiBox 3 also works with 4k h265 10bit videos. Tested with Kodi.

Cheers.

[SebaFR74]

Hi, did you test 4k hdr, i read a lot of website forum, and this card dont work with hdr.

[gwilly7]

I am awaiting the AMD release of their raven ridge chips tomorrow. They natively support hdmi 2.0, but as of now I think there is only 1 hdmi 2.0 motherboard available. Hopefully we will have more info on release tomorrow.

[Doc.AB]

I went and purchased this card for all my 10bit HDR/4K etc..etc.. decoding. Works flawlessly. Best part is that it comes in a "mini" (I can't recall the correct technical term!) package for small HTPC cases and is powered by the PCI-E, so no need for a separate PSU plug!

 Can you tell us a bit more about your test? What your cpu/motherboard is? what software you used to test? What settigns?

I tried the GT 1030 in 2 rigs: an i5 4570 Haswell, and an i7 7700k Kaby Lake. In neither case can I get jitter free playback of 4k60 HEVC 10 bit. It's even worse playing 4k60 HDR HEVC content which comes out as a slideshow.
In both cases I used VLC 3.0, forcing HDR on in Windows 10 as VLC doesn't seem able to do it. I also used MPC-BE with LAV and madVR.

[noggin]

I went and purchased this card for all my 10bit HDR/4K etc..etc.. decoding. Works flawlessly. Best part is that it comes in a "mini" (I can't recall the correct technical term!) package for small HTPC cases and is powered by the PCI-E, so no need for a separate PSU plug!

 Can you tell us a bit more about your test? What your cpu/motherboard is? what software you used to test? What settigns?

I tried the GT 1030 in 2 rigs: an i5 4570 Haswell, and an i7 7700k Kaby Lake. In neither case can I get jitter free playback of 4k60 HEVC 10 bit. It's even worse playing 4k60 HDR HEVC content which comes out as a slideshow.
In both cases I used VLC 3.0, forcing HDR on in Windows 10 as VLC doesn't seem able to do it. I also used MPC-BE with LAV and madVR. 

Strange that 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit SDR and 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit HDR play differently? I wonder if there is some additional HDR->SDR processing overhead that causes this? In video terms - as far as HEVC playback is concerned - they are identical.

[Doc.AB]

I went and purchased this card for all my 10bit HDR/4K etc..etc.. decoding. Works flawlessly. Best part is that it comes in a "mini" (I can't recall the correct technical term!) package for small HTPC cases and is powered by the PCI-E, so no need for a separate PSU plug!

 Can you tell us a bit more about your test? What your cpu/motherboard is? what software you used to test? What settigns?

I tried the GT 1030 in 2 rigs: an i5 4570 Haswell, and an i7 7700k Kaby Lake. In neither case can I get jitter free playback of 4k60 HEVC 10 bit. It's even worse playing 4k60 HDR HEVC content which comes out as a slideshow.
In both cases I used VLC 3.0, forcing HDR on in Windows 10 as VLC doesn't seem able to do it. I also used MPC-BE with LAV and madVR.  

Strange that 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit SDR and 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit HDR play differently? I wonder if there is some additional HDR->SDR processing overhead that causes this? In video terms - as far as HEVC playback is concerned - they are identical. 

My display devices are both HDR, so there was no HDR->SDR processing.
As far as I understand it, there is more decoding necessary for HDR material (see link).

[noggin]

 Can you tell us a bit more about your test? What your cpu/motherboard is? what software you used to test? What settigns?

I tried the GT 1030 in 2 rigs: an i5 4570 Haswell, and an i7 7700k Kaby Lake. In neither case can I get jitter free playback of 4k60 HEVC 10 bit. It's even worse playing 4k60 HDR HEVC content which comes out as a slideshow.
In both cases I used VLC 3.0, forcing HDR on in Windows 10 as VLC doesn't seem able to do it. I also used MPC-BE with LAV and madVR.  

Strange that 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit SDR and 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit HDR play differently? I wonder if there is some additional HDR->SDR processing overhead that causes this? In video terms - as far as HEVC playback is concerned - they are identical.    

My display devices are both HDR, so there was no HDR->SDR processing.
As far as I understand it, there is more decoding necessary for HDR material (see link).   

  
I can't see where there is more decoding there for HDR replay for an HDR display than there is for SDR.

The 10 bit 2160p60 HEVC is decoded and output in the same way (same chroma upsampling) for both SDR and HDR surely? The ST.2084 HDR EOTF vs Rec.1886 SDR EOTF is a function of the screen and not part of the Kodi workflow? (Literally the only difference is the addition of some HDMI metadata I thought - that's why you can get non-HDR devices to output HDR10 video and watch it in HDR10 using either Infoframe insertion - something like an HD Fury Vertex will do that - or manually overriding your TV with static HDR10 metadata)

I keep meaning to try Infoframe insertion on my Apollo Lake set-up.

I guess GUI rendering could be an issue - but I can't believe that the AMLogic stuff is taking ST.2084 EOTF HEVC stuff to 16bit Linear Light RGB 4:4:4 for compositing the OSD GUI, then taking that back again via a ST.2084 OETF ?  I'd expect the GUI to be pre-rendered in ST.2084 (or this aspect to be quietly ignored and the GUI to appear VERY BRIGHT in HDR instead)

[Doc.AB]

Strange that 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit SDR and 2160p60 HEVC 10 bit HDR play differently? I wonder if there is some additional HDR->SDR processing overhead that causes this? In video terms - as far as HEVC playback is concerned - they are identical.    

My display devices are both HDR, so there was no HDR->SDR processing.
As far as I understand it, there is more decoding necessary for HDR material (see link).    

  
I can't see where there is more decoding there for HDR replay for an HDR display than there is for SDR.

The 10 bit 2160p60 HEVC is decoded and output in the same way (same chroma upsampling) for both SDR and HDR surely? The ST.2084 HDR EOTF vs Rec.1886 SDR EOTF is a function of the screen and not part of the Kodi workflow? (Literally the only difference is the addition of some HDMI metadata I thought - that's why you can get non-HDR devices to output HDR10 video and watch it in HDR10 using either Infoframe insertion - something like an HD Fury Vertex will do that - or manually overriding your TV with static HDR10 metadata)

I keep meaning to try Infoframe insertion on my Apollo Lake set-up.

I guess GUI rendering could be an issue - but I can't believe that the AMLogic stuff is taking ST.2084 EOTF HEVC stuff to 16bit Linear Light RGB 4:4:4 for compositing the OSD GUI, then taking that back again via a ST.2084 OETF ?  I'd expect the GUI to be pre-rendered in ST.2084 (or this aspect to be quietly ignored and the GUI to appear VERY BRIGHT in HDR instead) 

You obviously know more than me about HDR encoding/decoding. I can only report what I've seen.
I've sent back the GT 1030 and am looking at alternatives. One problem is prices are exploding, even at the bottom end. Bitcoin miners must be getting desperate. I bought the GT 1030 2 weeks ago, and the price has gone up by 15% since then.
The GTX 1050 TI with 4GB of memory is one, but it is expensive (and the price has gone up by about 50% in the last few months). On Amazon today, the MSI GTX 1050 TI low profile 4GB is $278. A low profile 4GB Radeon RX 550 is about $180.
I can get an XBox One S for that of money, and use it to stream, plus have a UHD HDR Blu-ray player thrown in!

[honcho]

Why even consider spending 500 dollars to do something a shield can do for 149?

[ChattyMatty]

Sorry for the noob question guys, but I only really bother to pay attention to tech every few years when I need to upgrade something, otherwise it's just too much to keep up with.

If I'm reading the thread correctly, my current rig, an AMD 5350 + GT1050ti OC 4gb (MSI AM1i Mini-ITX in an SG06 case) should be able to stream Netflix 4k with the recent updates from Windows? The primary reason I ask is I ran into a case at my local electronics surplus store that is just too cool not to build into a fanless HTPC rig and eventually upgrade my desktop. The new (antique) case would require me to get a low profile card, and it currently looks like the only one out there that fits both criterion is another 1050ti (at about $200 currently)... and if I do that I lose the whole idea of a low cost fanless/silent rig. Short term this will be replacing my desktop for daily driver duties until I can rebuild something hotter into the SG06 box.

So in other words, I spend money and step exactly sideways in terms of my current capacity (actually go down a little as I lose the overclocking ability for what little that's worth) if I buy a new 1050ti low profile card. Option two is to not spend money on a new card and just keep the 8400 GS 1gb (which should push regular 1080p) I currently have for it and keep everything fanless. If I should decide to sell it however, I don't want to be that guy who says "Just slap a 1050ti in this machine and you're good to go with Neftflix 4k streaming" if it doesn't sound like that would be truthful. The 1030 cards however are available fanless, and half the price of a 1050ti, but also with half the memory and frankly I don't see the value to upgrade from the 8400 unless 4k is there for bragging rights/resale value. so the $70 proposition instantly becomes a $200 option with questionable ROI.

What's the verdict from the peanut gallery? Dorfus, I assume your 4k performance was not from a streamed source but rather from a local source like a blueray or a ripped file?


Oh, yeah, and the obligatory case porn, because the switch on the front says it all...