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[RELEASE] Cinema Experience - the new Home Theater Experience Script

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aptalca Offline
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(2014-12-18 00:58)Batiatus Wrote:  My dad's Panasonic plasma changes to 3D automatically for HSBS after a short time "analyzing" the image. The projector I'm using is a Panasonic PTAE8000. Both are/were Panny's top of the line units at the same time. If one switches, the other should as well. this works when playing SBS files through any media player in full screen regardless of their naming tags or through broadcast TV when all that's actually getting to the TV is a 1080p signal.

Framepacked 3D (MVC) isn't twice the vertical resolution. It's 1920x1080 times 2 frames. It also contains data that will trigger the display to 3D mode automatically.

Frame packed and mvc are two different things. Frame packed is an output method, mvc is an encoding method.

Frame packed means literally packing two frames in one. The most common way is outputting an over under image for left and right with a 45 pixel border in between. It results in an image with a resolution 1920x2205. That is sent to the display device, and the display device converts it to a 1920x1080 image with double the frame rate before outputting.

Mvc is an encoding method for 3d that is also referred to as 2d plus delta, where the two images, left and right, are expected to have a lot of similarities and overlap, and therefore only the differences are stored for the second image. It only helps with compression of the media file, does not affect output.

If i understand correctly, you are saying that a specific Panasonic TV can recognize hsbs3d with different media players tested. However a specific Panasonic projector cannot (with only xbmc tested). And you are assuming that xbmc is doing something wrong. I hope you see the problem with that assumption. If I were you, I would test other players with the projector first and see if it recognizes hsbs at all. Or refer to the user manual. I'm sure a feature like that would be advertised. Maybe it just needs to be turned on in the settings. I would be surprised if xbmc is at fault in this case because as you said it, the display device does image analysis and does not rely on any extra info from the media player.
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Batiatus Offline
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(2014-12-18 15:16)aptalca Wrote:  
(2014-12-18 00:58)Batiatus Wrote:  My dad's Panasonic plasma changes to 3D automatically for HSBS after a short time "analyzing" the image. The projector I'm using is a Panasonic PTAE8000. Both are/were Panny's top of the line units at the same time. If one switches, the other should as well. this works when playing SBS files through any media player in full screen regardless of their naming tags or through broadcast TV when all that's actually getting to the TV is a 1080p signal.

Framepacked 3D (MVC) isn't twice the vertical resolution. It's 1920x1080 times 2 frames. It also contains data that will trigger the display to 3D mode automatically.

Frame packed and mvc are two different things. Frame packed is an output method, mvc is an encoding method.

Frame packed means literally packing two frames in one. The most common way is outputting an over under image for left and right with a 45 pixel border in between. It results in an image with a resolution 1920x2205. That is sent to the display device, and the display device converts it to a 1920x1080 image with double the frame rate before outputting.

Mvc is an encoding method for 3d that is also referred to as 2d plus delta, where the two images, left and right, are expected to have a lot of similarities and overlap, and therefore only the differences are stored for the second image. It only helps with compression of the media file, does not affect output.

If i understand correctly, you are saying that a specific Panasonic TV can recognize hsbs3d with different media players tested. However a specific Panasonic projector cannot (with only xbmc tested). And you are assuming that xbmc is doing something wrong. I hope you see the problem with that assumption. If I were you, I would test other players with the projector first and see if it recognizes hsbs at all. Or refer to the user manual. I'm sure a feature like that would be advertised. Maybe it just needs to be turned on in the settings. I would be surprised if xbmc is at fault in this case because as you said it, the display device does image analysis and does not rely on any extra info from the media player.

I never said XBMC was at fault for not auto-switching the projector, just that it's something I need to figure out. XBMC auto-switches to HSBS (but with a VERY annoying on-screen notification which IS XBMC's fault and I've asked about having it turned off as an option with no response) but getting the projector to auto-switch isn't because of XBMC itself. I need more time to play with it and go through settings and codecs and so-on. It's just difficult to do when it's not MY set-up but rather a shit-ton of free work I've been doing for a friend who's been less than helpful or enthusiastic to get this entire project complete. That, coupled with everything else RL has thrown at me just compounds the issue.I appreciate you offering advice and assistance. The 3D issues will be resolved in some manner, just takes time and trail-and-error.

The integration of the Vera Z-wave controls with CE is what I most need help/advice with in this forum though. Almost everything else with CE runs flawlessly to this point. I keep hoping to have progresed far enough with the construction to put together a demo video and show off what's been done to this point but alas... I can only do so much for someone who seems more content to sit on their butt than put in a good 2 weeks of effort and hire 1 pro to do some finish work I'm not skilled enough for.

Apologies for the rant as well.
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Has anyone got this working on XBMC Gotham 13.2 running on an Amazon Fire TV? Everytime I try to run this addon, it crashes XBMC and restarts XBMC.

I have Cinema Experience running on XBMC Gotham 13.2 running on Window 7 Ultimate x64 and it works just fine every time?
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Post: #4009
I have been using Cinema Experience on a 2 year old version of XBMC with Aeon Nox frontend and it has worked great.

XMBC started popping up windows telling me version was ancient and I should upgrade, so I did upgrade today to the most recent release candidate.

I have reinstalled and setup Aeon Nox and also Cinema Experience.

This might be more a question for the Aeon Nox forum and not this one, but now when I view the movie info screen, the little "CINEMA" button that used to launch the cinema experience is not there.

The plugin is enabled and setup.

Anybody know what I am doing wrong?
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nebrunner Offline
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Post: #4010
Looks like it moved under the + section.
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