Why is there a policy regarding XBMC addon's that "might" allow piracy when there is a refusal to simply write the code to not allow it? There seems to be fake backlash against 1channel for example but all official XMBC download from XMBC,org fully support 1channel......so why is this the case? I understand that other people can do there own thing with the open source code but why does XBMC.org allow 1channel to work?
Every post that mentions 1channel gets put in the garbage bin but version after version 1channel is fully supported.
Is there any plan to change this hypocritical stance? For all the 1000's of hours of development that go into XBMC is it to much work to block addon's that are deemed to be piracy related? Every other software program seems to be able to control what does and doesn't work with it....why is XBMC from XBMC.org the only exception?
It is not the job of our developers to try and limit what endusers or add-on developers can do with the software.
Also, we are opensource so it would always be possible for someone to fork our code to work around this problem.
I am not sure how 1channel works, but I ASSuME that there's no DRM etc. and then in the end it's just normal videostreams that any player can open once the adress is known ? XBMC plays videos (among other things) this is what we do.
We don't Encourage piracy and this is basically all we can do.
By your logic, Firefox supports child porn because they don't make a whitelist for URLs you are allowed to view. Or Photoshop supports racism crimes if someone uses Photoshop to make an anti-Jewish poster.
Now, let me make something completely clear: our no blatant piracy add-on policy is not a moral statement. I don't think video piracy is bad for the most part, and I am not bothered that people pirate videos. Our policy is to protect the XBMC project, to keep it out of legal hot water and to emphasize that XBMC is just as neutral as a web browser and can be used for totally legal situations.
We don't care one way or another if you pirate or use 1channel or any of that. You just can't talk about it on XBMC.org.
If it wasn't for piracy XBMC wouldn't even exist.
(2013-12-12, 05:20)UKVaper Wrote: [ -> ]If it wasn't for piracy XBMC wouldn't even exist.
I think you are confusing console hacking with piracy? Because otherwise there is no truth to your statement at all. Early XBMC usage was highly focused on local libraries and physical DVDs on the original Xbox. Video scripts at the time were few and far between, let alone ones that accessed watchable pirate streams.
The idea the XMBC.org is unable to stop addon's from being used in the official releases is either stupidity on the development side or a total disregard for the intelligence of the user base. Google does not control Android but is somehow able to control what is able to work with the official release of Android.
It is frankly laughable that developers are able to lie to themselves in order to pretend that they are not able to stop piracy in XBMC, these addon's need to be added to XBMC and it is the developers that decide how this works.....why then is it so hard to implement a check to make sure unofficial addon's are not allowed? Of course this will be side stepped but at least the moral high ground that XBMC.org pretends to take will have some justification.
Google and other major ISP's have recently made efforts to stop allowing child pornography from being accessible through their offerings.....this is commendable of course so why is it too much to ask for XBMC.org to implement similar standards if XBMC.org really is concerned with piracy?
Is it that maybe that the opinion of UKVaper is more accurate to how XBMC is used and the high horse that the development team sits on is just more comfortable than admitting that supporting unfair cable monopolies are wrong incase some future (non-existant) revenue stream might be had?
The point being there needs to be some introspection on the development side of things.....stop trying to keep people from discussing things that a tiny (but very, very important) percent of people involved in XBMC (unless the development team doesn't consider the users involved) don't like for a variety of reasons....Safe harbour laws already exist so this constant censorship of a forum is unbecoming of an "open source" project.
If there is such strong feelings about this stop making it publicly available and sell it like other closed minded organizations...Apple ect.
(2013-12-12, 05:31)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ] (2013-12-12, 05:20)UKVaper Wrote: [ -> ]If it wasn't for piracy XBMC wouldn't even exist.
I think you are confusing console hacking with piracy? Because otherwise there is no truth to your statement at all. Early XBMC usage was highly focused on local libraries and physical DVDs on the original Xbox. Video scripts at the time were few and far between, let alone ones that accessed watchable pirate streams.
Oh how silly this point of view is....only the smallest of minds would think that those local libraries were ever piracy free.....since the inception of the internet people have figured out ways to pirate video......this sounds like a outdated response that Napster used....please try harder to justify your out of date views.
What in the world are you talking about? It's entirely possible if we wanted to, we probably could very well shut down whoever we wanted to with a release, but we choose not to, because, as always, our stance has forever been that we make the software and we don't care what users do with it. Nowhere have we ever professed a desire to stop people from using piracy addons.
With that said, there's a massive difference between letting people do whatever they want in their free time on their own hardware and letting people say whatever they want on our time on our hardware. Do you see the difference? To make an analogy (how can this go wrong), you are welcome to say any number of terrible things about my mother at your house, but please don't come to my house and talk crap on my mom.
edit: I should warn you, if you do not make an effort to at least try to understand my point and instead go off on a longwinded tirade about how hypocritical we are again, I'm probably gonna give you a brief ban to cool down. I have no problem with a difference of opinion, but when people angrily and intentionally refuse to try to understand a position, I have very little patience.
I think I might develop a torrent client that will only download creative commons content and open source software.
Honestly how do you expect an open source project to limit what it's addons do?
All code changes in XBMC are 100% public to the world. Thus, all methods to bypass any checks or blocks are also 100% public to the world.
When we first came up with this policy I was originally against it simply out of principal. However, the argument that it projected the XBMC Foundation and Team XBMC from legal hot water was very compelling. Safe harbor probably does protect us, but we can't say that for sure, and it would take a single lawsuit to wipe out our annual budget, if not more. We run 100% on donations and we can't take that risk.
It has nothing to do with being on some kind of high horse/moral value/pro-something view. I'm not above video piracy. I'll pirate the living crap out of TV shows, and I'm not afraid to tell people about it, but I don't tell people where to find pirated content on XBMC.org. There's a big difference there.
Did you know that hundreds of thousands of XBMC instances are used in hotels across the world to distribute 100% legal content? Or that there's an entire company out there that uses XBMC to stream legally acquired TV to people on yachts via high speed satellite internet? If you only count the fly-by-night users using IceFilms and 1Channel (which are horrible ways to pirate. God, the quality on those are bad.), sure, it might seem like XBMC is mostly used for piracy, but the world is larger than you think.
There seems to be a lot of excuses but no reasons for not taking the time to block addon's that only purpose is piracy. There seems to be a lack of understanding between official XBMC.org releases and XBMC the open source software.
If 1channel and IceFilms provide such horrible sources that is just another reason to block them...why support poor quality addon's?
I was just under the impression that there was a desire for XBMC to be taken seriously.....but clearly the development team is not concerned with quality when the stock answer to this line of questioning is "users do what users want" which is simply just a cloak for "we're to lazy to code a few lines" or worse than that......"without piracy XBMC isn't really necessary since there are hundreds of other programs what do exactly what XBMC does.....some even better"
But as they say ignorance is bliss.....
Ill informed poster is ill informed, news at 11.
It's not up to the XBMC devs to decide which addons are allowed and which aren't. And, since, for now, addons are just python scripts, how would you propose blocking those that support "piracy"? Hmmmmmm, I'm asking since you seem to be so full of answers. What's the code that's needed to arbitrarily block scripts that you would deem worthy of blocking?
Come back to me when you have the necessary patches.
Since it's open source, blocking addons is a giant waste of time. All someone has to do is go fork the repo and compile their own(block-free) xbmc. Done.
Also, just because they don't go out of their way to block certain addons doesn't mean they support it. It's been clearly stated several times that you aren't allowed to discuss where/how to get pirated content on the forums.
Why do you even care what people decide to do with free open-sourced software? Pirates always find a way...
I don't post here, but do read and get into to keep my systems running. With that in mind, Scott you sure have a bug up your but over this. What the hell difference does it make? Why do auto manufacturers make cars that exceed the highway speed limits? You sound like you want the developers to prevent you from viewing pirated streams because you lack self control.
(2013-12-13, 06:37)Karnagious Wrote: [ -> ]Ban the troll.
+100