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(2014-04-16, 14:31)Martijn Wrote: [ -> ]and that s clearly wrong statement.
We only blocked third-party development/discussion on our forum for shady add-ons. all other add-ons are still more than welcome. Also they are not the main site for add-ons. We still are.
This is the kind of misinformation I was talking about. So if any one has a wiki account and fix that statement?

The lifehacker article does clear state that we don't support it and it's not recommended but still they are promoting it.

YouTube has grey content! Just look for episodes of "Ancient Aliens". My friend recently even found a full length feature film she was looking for there

(2014-04-17, 09:13)tekno Wrote: [ -> ]I think there is a point not well made in this thread

First, let us compare where xbmc is where Napster was years ago.

It was in fact Napster that forced record labels into seeing a valid distribution medium (internet) for music. Now whatever that guys name was could have been billed a hero or a criminal. It was a fine line, and in the end he was a hero. There was probably tons of open source code in the napster foundation.

No. Nope. No way. You can't compare the two. XBMC is. not. a distribution method. It's not even the main way people watch things from sites like IceFilms. You do know that most, if not all, of these popular sites have actual websites and most of the users are not XBMC users, right? Even if 100% of all XBMC users were using these add-ons, that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar for these companies. The scale of the two situations don't even come close. Even then, Napster was the actual distribution of files. XBMC is not.

Quote:Additionally, let us compare that with YouTube. So you think Youtube is a legal site? Really? Look closer because you may not be seeing legal content like you may think. For instance I have seen history channel and Discovery channel TV episodes there . Are they legally authorized copies? I seriously doubt it. I think if the devs of xbmc want to draw the line at the youtube add on they should be made aware of all of the illegal content there.

YouTube has one of the most pro-active takedown systems on the internet. They automatically scan for copyright violations and constantly improve the detection methods. XBMC's forum rules were specifically written to except sites like youtube where there might be an occasional violating video, because YouTube makes an honest effort to delete those videos, and they violate YouTube rules. That's literally the worst example you could have picked.

Quote:So you see it becomes a complicated topic when you see how laws and attitudes vary by country, and when you step back an see how it has all evolved from laws to napster to youtube and xbmc , not to mention all of the add ons that we can not mention here . Just consider that (especially those of you in the USA) you have been conditioned to think a certain way with propaganda all around you. Your freedom is being inhibited by large corporations that will hold you criminally accountable for a copy of a video while many folks in the rest of the world are really far more free in that regard. Meanwhile your government keeps reminding you of your freedom while continuing to chip away at it

Because Mexico's government isn't corrupt, eh? I don't even know what you are thinking, trying to pull geo-political issues into this discussion and accusing people in other countries of being brainwashed. This isn't the place for that. Take the nationalistic BS somewhere else.

(2014-04-17, 09:13)tekno Wrote: [ -> ]Does Microsoft warn US citizens that they can go to prison for using internet Explorer because It can see illegal content whether piracy or kiddie porn? Why then should team xbmc be so concerned. Oh that's right Microsoft has more money to buy USA justice.

Posts like this are the reason that people want to close these otherwise interesting discussions. This is why we can't have nice things.

I'm out of here for tonight.

@tekno

Wow... that must be the stupidest post I have seen here.
You did not come off as very smart with that one I tell you.
You are 100% missing the point, and I am not going to debate you.

Only one thing to prove my point: Does microsoft support and talk about software that 100% are used to get a hold of prated content in their forum?

Edit: Napster? Wow, missing the point 100%, and then some...
Edit2: And no, I am not an US citizen and where I live we don´t have the same laws, but this is completely beside the point.

(2014-02-21, 17:22)stammie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this is a new problem, Apple must've shifted thousands of ATV2's because they could be jailbroken and XBMC with various copyright infringing addons could be installed on them.
Unfortunately there are unscrupulous people who will always try to make a fast buck from the gullible on the back of other peoples work, you only have to look at the stupid prices ATV2's are selling on ebay for now to see this,
at the mpment it is the easily available Android boxes that the unscrupulous ones are using.

I think its a bit much saying XBMC is becoming a piracy system in most new users eyes, some sure, but I think its probably a bit insulting to many new visitors here to see a headline like that.

Dodgy people selling boxes at an inflated price with free software installed is not just an XBMC problem, here in the UK there's a little media streamer called the NOW TV box, its basically just a rebranded Roku LT with many less apps available, I see people selling these boxes with Plex preinstalled for a 150% or more mark up,
its a ridiculously easy job to get Plex installed on one of these, even the most non savvy technophobe could do it in less than 5 minutes after a quick Google search but there are quite a few folks around willing to rip people off to do it, as they do with XBMC, its not right but in the world we live in some people will always take advantage of others generosity.
I'd rather a few shysters make a few quid than the good folks at XBMC decide they have to shut up shop or go to a closed system.

If you do not know how to install a new toilet you hire a plumber and he can probably even sell you the toilet, so you get it turnkey. Clearly you will pay more than the cost of the toilet as he worked for the installation.

If my neighbor can not install xbmc on a amdroid or windows device and wants my help and maybe wants me to recommend hardware I may do that and maybe install the add ons that he wants , why would it be wrong to charge for my time?

Why is a guy installing xbmc on a system and selling it any different? I understand that the devs should get something but they are involved in open source and that is the way it works. No different if I buy a computer , install ubuntu on it and sell it at a profit, I am not obligated to pay a penny to Canonical . Canonical can not prevent me or my buyer from looking at whatever web site , or installing any app, not even installing photoshop into WiNE, nor should they. Also if I support that install of ubuntu to a buyer, by installing printers, sharing disks, etc I can make more. Clearly some add ons may be illegal in SOME countries but not all necessarily in all countries and I really think some of you guys are bitter because you live in places where big brother is watching you.

I once had a client tell me I could not charge him for my time because his systems were to have linux installed and that is all free and I could not charge for it. I charge for server configurations running Linux and Asterisk. Should I also worry about whether those clients are doing anything illegal? That's their business. What you are suggesting sounds a lot like people should not charge for installing open source. Tell that to the millions of guys that configure servers that run linux. Should I be worried that I might install a server and later that server is used for illegal purposes like kiddie porn, piracy or a scam site? Some of you seem so paranoid with big brother watching you. Glad I dont live where you do

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Ned.

"...No. Nope. No way. You can't compare the two. XBMC is. not. a distribution method. It's not even the main way people watch things from sites like IceFilms. You do know that most, if not all, of these popular sites have actual websites and most of the users are not XBMC users, right? Even if 100% of all XBMC users were using these add-ons, that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar for these companies. The scale of the two situations don't even come close. Even then, Napster was the actual distribution of files. XBMC is not. ..."

It is a vehicle to get it off the laptop display and onto the tele, and no xbmc is not file sharing but many of the add ons can access shared files. Open your mind and see you are the foundation of technology driving the market.

I remeber when I was working in Television in a past life it was the consumer market that was driving the broadcast market, this is not that much different when a product like xbmc comes along then an add on or tro and they start disrupting tradition and forcing a new market. As I recall it was jeff Pulver who created one of the first Peer to Peer SIP voip services , who coined the phrase "disruptive technology" . That phrase is appropriate here because like napster it disrupts the status quo. I think devs should be proud to be involved in a technology that is so disrupting the traditional means of doing things!

No man, you don't get it. No one is mad that someone is selling boxes with XBMC preinstalled. That fact alone is not something we take issue with.

If you go out there and start selling computers with Ubuntu on it and have pre-installed pirated applications, and you use Ubuntu's names and logos in your promotional material, then Ubuntu will sue you. There is no doubt about it. Ubuntu has gone after other people who have abused their trademarks. Ubuntu will also ban you from their website if you go on there and ask people where you can get a pirated copy of photoshop. Ubuntu has and will continue to defend their brand and image.

You just don't get it. You are so far off the mark and have no idea why we're even upset about these situations. You think it's because we're worried about what the government will do? Read the damn thread, because I know I've personally stated at least once here that the issue isn't necessarily fear from legal action, and it sure as hell isn't pressure from any government or corporation.

Get a freaking clue.

(2014-04-17, 09:39)miappa Wrote: [ -> ]@tekno

Wow... that must be the stupidest post I have seen here.
You did not come off as very smart with that one I tell you.
You are 100% missing the point, and I am not going to debate you.

Only one thing to prove my point: Does microsoft support and talk about software that 100% are used to get a hold of prated content in their forum?

Edit: Napster? Wow, missing the point 100%, and then some...
Edit2: And no, I am not an US citizen and where I live we don´t have the same laws, but this is completely beside the point.

This thread is not about what is discussed on this forum it is about xbmc becoming a platform to access piracy . Talk about STUPID your reply is irrelevant, and it is you missing the point. I suggest you read this thread again

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(2014-04-17, 11:03)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ]No man, you don't get it. No one is mad that someone is selling boxes with XBMC preinstalled. That fact alone is not something we take issue with.

If you go out there and start selling computers with Ubuntu on it and have pre-installed pirated applications, and you use Ubuntu's names and logos in your promotional material, then Ubuntu will sue you. There is no doubt about it. Ubuntu has gone after other people who have abused their trademarks. Ubuntu will also ban you from their website if you go on there and ask people where you can get a pirated copy of photoshop. Ubuntu has and will continue to defend their brand and image.

You just don't get it. You are so far off the mark and have no idea why we're even upset about these situations. You think it's because we're worried about what the government will do? Read the damn thread, because I know I've personally stated at least once here that the issue isn't necessarily fear from legal action, and it sure as hell isn't pressure from any government or corporation.

Get a freaking clue.

Again this thread is not about what is discussed on this forum, it is about xbmc used as a platform for piracy. My comments are not the same when you take them out of context

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(2014-04-17, 11:03)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ]No man, you don't get it. No one is mad that someone is selling boxes with XBMC preinstalled. That fact alone is not something we take issue with.

If you go out there and start selling computers with Ubuntu on it and have pre-installed pirated applications, and you use Ubuntu's names and logos in your promotional material, then Ubuntu will sue you. There is no doubt about it. Ubuntu has gone after other people who have abused their trademarks. Ubuntu will also ban you from their website if you go on there and ask people where you can get a pirated copy of photoshop. Ubuntu has and will continue to defend their brand and image.

You just don't get it. You are so far off the mark and have no idea why we're even upset about these situations. You think it's because we're worried about what the government will do? Read the damn thread, because I know I've personally stated at least once here that the issue isn't necessarily fear from legal action, and it sure as hell isn't pressure from any government or corporation.

Get a freaking clue.

I have spent hours on this thread, check the logs man! Because my point of view is different than yours does not make it less valid, but I have seen repeatedly how you have a way of discrediting/invalidating folks here because you do not like what they say, or agree with their point oi view

Their copyright detection relates mostly to music. There is TONS of illegal content on you tube I think you should look again. Look for Movie Maxxi (or maxi?) Ancient aliens, and so much more. You know they want to appear to do what they can but it does not mean it is 100% effective. Point is there IS ILLEGAL CONTENT ON YOUTUBE

You have to go with the flow and find a way to legitimize it. It is a powerful tool that can be the cause of much change

You are correct in that having a different viewpoint isn't what makes it invalid. What makes it invalid is that everything you've said doesn't make sense, no matter what you might think the topic of the thread is. The only person discrediting you is yourself. The more you talk, the worse it gets.

You're going off on rants about how Ubuntu doesn't get mad if you were to sell computers with photoshop, but they would get mad. You go off on all sorts of nationalistic rants about how the USA is corrupt, but you live in Mexico.

You tell me to open my mind when I point out that XBMC isn't at all like Napster? Even if Team XBMC was even remotely interested in being a distributor of pirated content (by the way, if you want to pirate TV shows you don't use god damn icefilms. The quality is shit. Download like a real pirate, for christ sake), it's still no where close to the same situation. It is naive to think that enough people use XBMC to ever make a major market shift like pirating MP3s did. Even then, at a fundamental level, the technology and situation is completely different. XBMC is not a server for file sharing. Do you even know why Napster was shutdown? It wasn't because it was a client accessing servers over HTTP, it was because it basically was the "server".

Saying XBMC is like Napster makes about as much sense as comparing XBMC to Minecraft.



We are not revolutionaries. We have no interest in being revolutionaries. If we were, we wouldn't do it like this, which would be painfully ineffective. We don't care, at all, where the hell you get your video files from. Team XBMC is interested in developing XBMC itself, the UI, the features, and so on. We don't provide videos, we don't recommend videos, we don't distribute, sell, license, lease, video content. The point is that we want to remove XBMC from being on any side of any issue, because XBMC is neutral. Yet you seem to think we should be doing exactly the kind of stuff that can and will hurt the group. They shut Napster down and sold it for the brand name and logo to some totally unrelated company, and you want us to be like Napster?

(2014-04-17, 11:06)tekno Wrote: [ -> ]Their copyright detection relates mostly to music. There is TONS of illegal content on you tube I think you should look again. Look for Movie Maxxi (or maxi?) Ancient aliens, and so much more. You know they want to appear to do what they can but it does not mean it is 100% effective. Point is there IS ILLEGAL CONTENT ON YOUTUBE

No... Have you been living under a rock for the last few years? YouTube sometimes cracks down a little too much, to the point where they even take down NASA videos by mistake that were uploaded by NASA. Most major TV networks and movie studios regularly upload videos to YouTube's content ID system, for automatic identification.

We all know there is pirated content on YouTube, but that is not the point of YouTube, and YouTube is proactive in taking down such content. There is a massive difference between YouTube and IceFilms or 1Channel. There's a reason why YouTube doesn't ever get shut down for pirated content, and it's called Safe Harbor ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Cop...tation_Act ). Outside of the US there are similar laws. Basically it says that YouTube is not responsible for the occasional rule violator, because they can't control people 100% of the time. YouTube still meets various legal requirements as far as their responsibility is concerned.

As far as legal requirements go, and more importantly, as far as their image goes, YouTube is not seen as a place you go to if you want to watch "Ancient Aliens" (why the hell are you watching Ancient Aliens in the first place?), even if the occasional upload isn't deleted right away.

(2014-04-17, 11:21)tekno Wrote: [ -> ]You have to go with the flow and find a way to legitimize it. It is a powerful tool that can be the cause of much change

That is not our job, it will never be our job, and most importantly, we don't want that job.

If you are looking for a revolution then go somewhere else.

@tekno
You are so missing the point. You really have no idea. To be honest, YOU specifically IS the point right now.

I suggest that you take a break and try to think for a bit. Stating that you spent hours in this thread makes it much worse.
I actually never called you stupid, I called your post stupid. But you are about to change my mind.

Quote:it is about xbmc becoming a platform to access piracy

It is about people who don´t know better BELIEVES that this is it´s only purpose, and to be fair, because of people like you.
XBMC is NOT Napster, that is the freaking point here!

You are comparing XBMC to content providers, and ranting about stuff so far off topic it is ridiculous.
It sounds like you believe that XBMC should go in a direction to provide content in a certain way, but you forget the fact that XBMC does not provide ANY content.

But hey, you did bring up many things that proofs the purpose of this thread… most of them completely irrelevant or opposite what is actually the point here… which makes it somewhat relevant though, but not in the way you would want it to.

My guess is that you actually are one of those persons being discussed here, and I cannot begin to undertand that you have missed this since you spent hours in this thread.

Fact remains, XBMC is not a provider of pirated content. It is not Napster. It is not even Youtube.
Many believe this, you included it seems, and team XBMC wants to take a stand and let as many as possible know that this is not the case, this for many reasons.

You should just admit that you came in here with a completely wrong approach, but by all means keep going. It won´t do you any good though.

I´m done here, but good luck.

Mods, I think it's time to close out this thread. Nothing but bickering going on here.

Tecnology can instigate great changes , society moves with it, and new ways come about as a result