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Hi Guys,

i recently learned that each and every Android player cannot play natively 24p content, or can not use the active frame rate switching which was actually provided by android 4.4.
I would really like to buy one of these sophisticated little android boxes, but everytime i research on one specific box, someone comes and claims that there won't be 24p playback.

I just bought an A. Fire TV and realised, that i can't live without 24p. It just sutters too much. So i researched and i found that one media player in particular claims to have overcome the 24p issue.
The newer version of the "HiMedia Q5" is supposed to have worked around this issue. http://www.himediatech.com/q5iv.html
Did you hear anything about that? Or is there anything new on this topic regarding 24p playback? Does the Google nexus Player still have no active frame rate switching?
The Internet says, that the HiMedia Q5 will only be able to 24p correctly with the preinstalled xbmc, which is a pain, because i do not want to be dependent on the manufacter. Other mediaplayers claim to have overcome this issue (Orbsmart or Minix Neo) but according to several opinions on the internet, they haven't.


Currently i am still using my very old WDTV, which works perfectly fine regarding playback. No stutters or anything. What i want is exactly what my WDTV player does: it just works, yet it lags the functionality and the looks. Thats why i want a XBMC machine, but as of now, it seems to me that there is not really anything out there, which can compete with it playbackwise.
All these really strong CPUs and GPUs on an android system which can not play 24p? Does not seem right to me
There is only one alternative i found to building my own XBMC HTPC: Those little Intel NUCs. But are they up to a full 1080p with a good 40mbit stream (leave 3D playback aside, i don't need that...)? Are they up to really heavy xbmc skins? Because i want that looks to be fluid aswell of course Building a HTPC nowadays seems like such a waste on computing power. There are highly specialized CPUs out there but only in android machines which do not work with what i need


Well to sum it up: Is there anything useful out there (Intel NUC?) which is not a homebuild HTPC to get a really nice and fluid playback on high HD content with 24p playback?

Thanks in advance!

Hi
I've just seen that there is a box called prometheus for sale reduced to $250- (think that's about £150)not sure if it's what you want but gets good reviews.(never used myself though)
Personally I have a intel dn2820 running openelec and love it. Best box I've had and I've got atv1 and 2 , had ouya and raspberry pi.

Hope that helps

a Celeron 2955U-based ChromeBox running OE can handle a 60Mbps 4K h.264 stream with minimal CPU

Thanks for your quick responses.

I might add, that, if i stay in the "out of the box" area, i do not want to spend more than about 150€ - for more money i think i would be better off building an HTPC.


Now to your suggestions:
Sniffer, the only prometheus i found was an android 4.1 box which should also have these 24p problems.

As for the celeron suggestions: First of all, i live in germany, so the chromebox is sadly not available here (or if so, is too expensive in comparison). Yet on the other hand i read, that these celeron devices do have some sort of 24p intel specific bug, which also resolves in sutter. Isn't that true anymore for tje 2955U model? Or let me rephrase that since the chromebox isn't available anyway: is it true for the Intel NUC build in Celerons? (Intel Celeron N2820)


Thanks

the 2955U does proper 24p playback without stutter. Pretty sure the BayTrail-based NUCs do as well.

The haswell based celeron 2955u does not have the 24p intel bug that is an ivy bridge bug only. The Baytrail based n2820 has an ivy bridge based igp so the haswell would be a better option in that regard and the igp on the haswell is better then the one on ivybridge/baytrail.

Dont NUCs have interlaced problems? I know this is about 24p playback, But its something to consider.

To be fair I'm out of my depth with some of the descriptions on here as I'm not too techy .

The Prometheus box I believe is an intel box modded by a developer . Sure someone else on here could advise more on that box .

(2014-11-21, 00:36)Matt Devo Wrote: [ -> ]a Celeron 2955U-based ChromeBox running OE can handle a 60Mbps 4K h.264 stream with minimal CPU

I have an HP Chromebox. How did you do that?

I have a Dell UP2414q 4K monitor, but it's on my mac pro. I have the chrome box on my hdtv downstairs.

I've seen that photo, it's on youtube... how did you hook that Chromebox up? I thought that box had integrated graphics.

(2014-11-21, 01:16)lbotez Wrote: [ -> ]I have an HP Chromebox. How did you do that?

I have a Dell UP2414q 4K monitor, but it's on my mac pro. I have the chrome box on my hdtv downstairs.

I've seen that photo, it's on youtube... how did you hook that Chromebox up? I thought that box had integrated graphics.

I downloaded the 4K sample file in question (from a link someone posted a while back), copied it onto my NAS, and played it. No magic involved.

That photo isn't on/from youtube, I literally took the screenshot right before posting.

All that's required for 4K is a connection to a compatible monitor. 2160p24 and 2160p30 video playback are fine; 2160p/60 video is less than optimal but fine for desktop (eg, XBMC GUI) use. 2160p/60 output requires DisplayPort, as HDMI 1.4 is limited to 2160p30.

Its WIKI time

Detail on most questions asked above....

http://kodi.wiki/view/Intel_NUC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Int...Celerons_2

http://kodi.wiki/view/ASUS_Chromebox

- No Android device currently can do on the fly refresh rate switching, do not believe the marketing bullshit.

- Intel Haswell based boxes will give you perfect 24p and de-interlaced playback. (As does the cheap Raspberry Pi)

- DO NOT buy a brand new recently released device and expect perfect XBMC operation, when no support is available here on the forums.
- YOU WILL then become a Alpha tester for that device, it might work OK in a year or two.

- for the benefit of others reading - BIG HINT - Guess which Hardware thread on here has 132 pages currently & was started but Matt Devo ?

@AttacktheCow - PM member - theraw - and ask where he got his Chromebox from in the EU in this thread....

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=208792

24 or 23.976? It seems lots of Android Box can play BD at 24p not 23.976p.

And some TV's (Sony) display 24p when they are being fed a 23.976 fps signal.
24p is pretty much is a generic term for 23.976 fps anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p

Regardless, its still pretty disappointing for Android media players to be unable to change - on the fly - a TV's refresh rate, when they certainely have the hardware capability to do so.

(2014-11-21, 08:54)VidOn.me-Wolly Wrote: [ -> ]24 or 23.976? It seems lots of Android Box can play BD at 24p not 23.976p.

So are they playing it back slightly too fast, or do you get a repeated frame every 40'ish seconds?

thanks to all of you for your thoughts

(2014-11-21, 07:05)wrxtasy Wrote: [ -> ]Its WIKI time

Detail on most questions asked above....

http://kodi.wiki/view/Intel_NUC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Int...Celerons_2

http://kodi.wiki/view/ASUS_Chromebox

- No Android device currently can do on the fly refresh rate switching, do not believe the marketing bullshit.

- Intel Haswell based boxes will give you perfect 24p and de-interlaced playback. (As does the cheap Raspberry Pi)

- DO NOT buy a brand new recently released device and expect perfect XBMC operation, when no support is available here on the forums.
- YOU WILL then become a Alpha tester for that device, it might work OK in a year or two.

- for the benefit of others reading - BIG HINT - Guess which Hardware thread on here has 132 pages currently & was started but Matt Devo ?

@AttacktheCow - PM member - theraw - and ask where he got his Chromebox from in the EU in this thread....

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=208792

Thanks for the heads up.

I will try to get the chromebox then. Maybe i even import it from the US. Its still cheaper than anything here in Europe, even with customs and taxes :/

There is one more thing. How much is the power usage when its in suspended mode? I don't want a device which drains a whole lot of power....



as for the 24p / 23,978p. I honestly don't know the difference, yet i do know that most of my material is 23.978. Basically it should be no problem for me. I use an old sony TV which is capable of 24p, whatever that means. If there is any small stutter with 23,978p, i think i would not see it; quite contrairy to the 24p to 50/60Hz conversion on these android devices.