(2021-02-27, 09:23)noggin Wrote: [ -> ] (2021-02-27, 01:38)putuco Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the other thing which bothers me is that Shield has no automatic frame rate switching...
The only media player that seems to get frame rate switching right for Netflix, Prime Video, Disney+, Apple TV+ etc. are the current HD and 4K Apple TV models - but they can only run MrMC's fork of Kodi (without most add ons other than PVR).
Wait, MrMC has PVR support so I can run "PVR IPTV Simple Client"? Wow I didn't know that. Thanks
(2021-03-08, 10:46)noggin Wrote: [ -> ] (2021-03-08, 09:12)ozkhan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Does LibreELEC on intel support HDR yet or is that still a no go?
There are some experimental builds that work on Gemini Lake devices with native HDMI 2.0 support - but they are, or were, still 8-bit (with an HDR EOTF) rather than 10-bit output (so you get HDR but may also get banding), though Rec 2020 gamut stuff is correctly handled ISTR. There appears to be no support for 4:2:2 YCbCr output - and no support for 2160p50 and above. There are all sorts of issues with most SoCs that use DisplayPort output with off-board DP->HDMI conversion using an LSPCon chip on the motherboard...
More in the LibreElec thread here https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/13738-.../?pageNo=1 (Special builds required because LibreElec nightlies and new release due are still using the older legacy X11 etc. stuff I believe, but as a result nVidia is still supported)
I'd say still a no go other than for experimenters (not hugely dissimilar to the LibreElec Raspberry Pi 4B HDR situation - though the Pi 4B doesn't have proper Rec 2020 support implemented yet either)
Pi 4B HDR stuff here in case people are interested https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/23442-.../?pageNo=1 (NB now in the nightlies - no special builds required AIUI)
Thanks noggin.
What’s the roadmap looking like right now? Timeline?
I’m guessing it’s WIP so it means there is a roadmap and we might eventually get there but how long will that really take?
I much rather prefer the intel boxes over the arm ones.
(2021-03-10, 08:11)ozkhan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (2021-03-08, 10:46)noggin Wrote: [ -> ] (2021-03-08, 09:12)ozkhan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Does LibreELEC on intel support HDR yet or is that still a no go?
There are some experimental builds that work on Gemini Lake devices with native HDMI 2.0 support - but they are, or were, still 8-bit (with an HDR EOTF) rather than 10-bit output (so you get HDR but may also get banding), though Rec 2020 gamut stuff is correctly handled ISTR. There appears to be no support for 4:2:2 YCbCr output - and no support for 2160p50 and above. There are all sorts of issues with most SoCs that use DisplayPort output with off-board DP->HDMI conversion using an LSPCon chip on the motherboard...
More in the LibreElec thread here https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/13738-.../?pageNo=1 (Special builds required because LibreElec nightlies and new release due are still using the older legacy X11 etc. stuff I believe, but as a result nVidia is still supported)
I'd say still a no go other than for experimenters (not hugely dissimilar to the LibreElec Raspberry Pi 4B HDR situation - though the Pi 4B doesn't have proper Rec 2020 support implemented yet either)
Pi 4B HDR stuff here in case people are interested https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/23442-.../?pageNo=1 (NB now in the nightlies - no special builds required AIUI)
Thanks noggin.
What’s the roadmap looking like right now? Timeline?
I’m guessing it’s WIP so it means there is a roadmap and we might eventually get there but how long will that really take?
I much rather prefer the intel boxes over the arm ones.
No idea about Intel timeline - the fact they don't (or didn't) support the de-facto high quality HDMI 2.0/2.1 standard (4:2:2 YCbCr) for HDR interconnects is somewhat concerning - as 4:2:2 is the only standard that works for HDR at all 2160p frame rates from 23.976 to 60fps. (4:4:4/RGB only works for 30fps and below, 4:2:0 only for 50fps and above at HDR bit depths)
The Intel timeline is purely dependent on the Intel driver developers I think - without their updates, progress is likely to be tricky. So far they've implemented the right route for HDR and Rec 2020 Infoframe signalling (and for CPUs that have no Windows HDR support), but other stuff like 10-bit pathways to displays, and support on LSPCon-based implementation (i.e. for CPUs without native HDMI 2.0 output) appears to be very WIP. My guess is only a relatively small number of Intel devs are working on this, possibly ad hoc.
The Pi 4B is a little less developed (no Rec 2020 signalling yet) - and the Pi Foundation has a lot to do with a relatively modest (though very skilled) number of developers - but they are getting through stuff. HD Audio has appeared, and HDR info frames. If they can get Rec 2020 and 10-bit video paths with 12-bit 4:2:2 output at all frame rates - that will be a very good place to be. (4:2:2 12-bit output is quite important - there isn't a 10-bit variant)
Hi,
I've been madly searching google and youtube reviews for days but can't find anything that ticks all the boxes so I'm wondering (hoping) if someone could recommend a suitable device for me. I want a box with:
Hardware deinterlacing in KODI (for Live TV via Tvheadend)
Auto refresh rate switching
Youtube app support with 4k playback
Google voice assistant (even if it's not using the ATV interface) using a remote control with integrated mic
Ability to wake from sleep using a USB dongle remote control (g30s)
Cheap (like really cheap)
Integrated LAN port
I don't need Netflix support or Prime video support.
I've had a Xiaomi Mi Box S which was too slow and it would not wake from sleep with a USB device. I have a Shield in my main room but do not wish to spend that much for my second TV. I'm currently suffering a Fire stick which has an appalling bug whereby the audio cuts out every time I turn my TV off and back on.
Any advice appreciated.
(2021-02-27, 09:23)noggin Wrote: [ -> ] (2021-02-27, 01:38)putuco Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the other thing which bothers me is that Shield has no automatic frame rate switching...
I think it's important to be clear on this. The Shield TV has automatic frame-rate switching in Kodi (which is what a lot of people come here for information on).
Like pretty much every device on the market it doesn't have automatic frame-rate switching for DRM streaming apps like Netflix, Prime Video, Disney + etc. - though unlike most players it does offer a 'press a button when video is playing to set the right frame rate option'
The only media player that seems to get frame rate switching right for Netflix, Prime Video, Disney+, Apple TV+ etc. are the current HD and 4K Apple TV models - but they can only run MrMC's fork of Kodi (without most add ons other than PVR). The Fire TV models offer frame rate switching for Prime Video (and in Kodi) - but not for most other streaming services.
You are right about Kodi frame rate switching. For the rest, I installed an app called "Refresh Rate" and with that frame rate switching is a reality in the apps you select. For now, Nvidia Shield is the perfect media player for me, only missing HDR for Youtube but still a minor annoyance for me
My Odroid N2
broke down and I'm not sure if I want to buy another one (if I even manage), or the N2+. I love the freedom of Kodi and MrMC looks to be too limited. I'll probably have to say bye to browisng NFS shares, using my MINIX A2 Lite remote and the Yatse app. N2+ still looks like the best option though. Any advice?
They N2/+ is really not a lot of $s for what it is, and having bought and setup 4 of them, without any issues, is pretty reliable generally....why wouldn't you buy another one? Just because you had one issue? Perhaps you can buy from a local supplier with a proper warranty (vs. the basically complete lack of warranty from HK?).
For a Kodi box, specifically, I really don't think there is a better solution, although the Vero 4K+ has better support for sure. I've not used those, and I believe some folks consider them a bit wimpy compared to the Odroid, but you'd at least have excellent support behind you with that.
Not sure I follow the logic of 'I'll probably have to say bye to browisng NFS shares, using my MINIX A2 Lite remote and the Yatse app' - almost any Kodi box should be able to do all of that just fine?
(2021-04-13, 03:16)bossanova808 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure I follow the logic of 'I'll probably have to say bye to browisng NFS shares, using my MINIX A2 Lite remote and the Yatse app' - almost any Kodi box should be able to do all of that just fine?
I meant that in regard to using MrMC on an Apple TV 4K. That looks to be way too limited. Thanks for your advice. Yeah, I've lost trust a little by this failure. It was running great for a year, maybe I'll buy another one. Sadly the N2+ successor doesn't fit in my metal case, but that's another problem.
Ah right. Yeah, MrMC is too limited, definitely agree with that.
Obviously we all want more than a year from a device, even a relatively cheap one, but some electronics are going to fail, it's just part of life really. I just use the basic plastic case they have, works fine and maybe not max. pretty, but nice enough they basically just disappear as a tiny thing next to my AVR. But definitely look at the Vero - very similar capabilities, really, but much much better support vs. Odroid, who really specialise in the tinker market and behave like it...
Yes - the failure rate of Odroid stuff seems to be higher - at least based on anecdotal evidence here and on the Hardkernel forums - and their junk warranty and poor attitude to returns/repairs is really disappointing. I own a bunch of their boards but buy them from a UK re-seller to ensure I get a decent warranty.