(2016-02-13, 10:07)mattcozi Wrote: [ -> ]i can see in krypton you have to enable 3rd party sources and it comes with a warning, nothing much more you can do bar compleatly lock it down which goes against the whole open source ethos
Care to let me know why changing a feature or removing something in the open is against the open source ethos?
i presumed open source ment open for anyone to use and to implement what they want? correct me if im wrong im no expert by any stretch
Youtubers make £1000's a month from promoting Kodi, they feel they are now being victimised. LOL
I say get a regular job, quit your moaning and stop hurting Kodi.
Youtube/Google need to clean them up pronto!
(2016-02-13, 12:22)mattcozi Wrote: [ -> ]i presumed open source ment open for anyone to use and to implement what they want? correct me if im wrong im no expert by any stretch
That's correct, but if we settle on what we want is get rid of that feature, we can.
Still, anybody who wants is free to do his/her own version of kodi then, which could still be able to do that removed feature. But them might need to rebrand then.
with the rise of popularity of kodi, and lets face it its because of the 3rd party addons, its increased the sales of minix, nvidia shield, wetek ect, if you removed that option i should imagine it would have an affect on their sales and maybe affect your sponsership?. im not arguing i dont even use the addons its just an observation on why so many people are buying the devices
(2016-02-13, 13:56)mattcozi Wrote: [ -> ]with the rise of popularity of kodi, and lets face it its because of the 3rd party addons, its increased the sales of minx, nvidia shield, weetek ect, if you removed that option i should imagine it would have an affect on their sales and maybe affect your sponsership?. im not arguing i dont even use the addons its just an observation on why so many people are buying the devices
We don't care if it affects their sales or the fact if they sponsor us or not. In fact, if the one and only reason to sponsor was to increase their sales, then we won't care if they dont renew the sponsorship. And believe it or not, we get many sponsorship offers where we clearly see they want to do it for the wrong reason and we decline their offer. So it's really not about the money.
And here some clarification for all the youtubers and other conspiracy people. We don't fight third party add-ons - people are free to create, use and sell them, just don't promote them using our Kodi brand. Create your own "piracy free tv brand". Also, the second you offer/sell versions of Kodi with preinstalled add-ons (it doesn't matter if these are from official repository or "third party" !!!!), you're not allowed to do this using our Kodi brand and you have to rebrand. Follw the rules and you're usually fine.
And again, we don't fight the existence of third party add-ons as everybody is free to do what he wants to, just keep our name away from the piracy ones. If the piracy add-ons would be native Android apps (which would be totally doable as the streams would play perfectly fine with the default Android video player), they also wouldn't advertise Android as THE source for free movies. The apps would have names and these would be advertised, not the OS.
As for "streaming is legal". You might not get sued for streaming, but you're still streaming pirated content that violates copyright and whatever. It has a reason why the servers where these streams are hosted on are either off shore or in a country that doesn't care about the law. So you still think streaming such content is the right thing to do, regardless if you can be sued for it or not? We don't think so and thus dont want to be associated with such actions. And again, we're not fighting third party add-ons in general, there are many out there that are fine, all we ask for is to keep our name out of anything related to the add-ons dealing with piracy. If you don't understand the reason behind this, let your mother explain it to you.
(2016-02-13, 12:22)mattcozi Wrote: [ -> ]i presumed open source ment open for anyone to use and to implement what they want? correct me if im wrong im no expert by any stretch
Sure, but if you alter the source code, then it is not 'Kodi' anymore and you MUST rebrand it you intend to distribute it for others to use. Baring getting permission from the Kodi TradeMark holders (XBMC Foundation).
(2016-02-13, 13:20)Razze Wrote: [ -> ] (2016-02-13, 12:22)mattcozi Wrote: [ -> ]i presumed open source ment open for anyone to use and to implement what they want? correct me if im wrong im no expert by any stretch
That's correct, but if we settle on what we want is get rid of that feature, we can.
Still, anybody who wants is free to do his/her own version of kodi then, which could still be able to do that removed feature. But them might need to rebrand then.
i think i miss understood this reply, i thought he ment remove the feature to be able to use 3rd party, but as has now been clearly stated this is not the case......
i fully understand you have to distance yourself and as i stated earlier you can only do so much..
ps i come in peace lol
26K views, and none of this accomplishes much except to give all sides a sourness that is not attractive. Let's keep the Kodi forum upbeat and forward thinking. It's clear we have some very intelligent messages in this thread, that should have been worked out with face time. This same amount of effort could have been used in a more constructive way. Nothing worse than a entire forum of people who are venting, the new users fill that abundantly.
Let the professionals do what they do best.
(2016-02-12, 22:29)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ] (2016-02-12, 22:22)ilovemymac Wrote: [ -> ]So if someone uses kodi on a box but doesn't use the name kodi or the logo in advertising yet is still using KODI with 3rd party add ons how do we combat this? I mean Kodi seems like the issue is more they just don't want to deal with the influx of people here and association but are not so concerned with the actual sales?
The group still doesn't like it when third party add-ons are pre-installed, because that in itself gives the false impression that Kodi comes with those add-ons, they're official somehow, etc. However, I think the basic gist of what you're asking is; can someone still make money off of "free TV" boxes without hurting the Kodi brand? Yes. That's the really funny thing about all of this, because it's a situation where everyone can win.
Look at how fast these guys started using the name Kodi when XBMC first changed the name? They don't need the name to sell their box. Some of them think so, but the people buying it for the free TV stuff don't care how they get the content.
Playing devil's advocate, I actually think it's rather limiting to market a box as only for Kodi.
Your right gosh there are lots of legal apps now that can help you cut cable and you could use KODI for your media. Vidangel is a neat site that will sell you a movie at $20 then if you just what they call sell back the movie to them its only $1 as long as its within 24 hours. They have a editing program you can edit language or violence or nudity out of a movie.
I like this as some movies are great but just overboard on the language and or nudity. For cable cutters now there is Sling tv, there is HBO, CBS, Showtime and more. These boxes can even be used to do web surfing and more. I have wanted to do one for my grandparents because they have a huge library of old movies and they end up placing a dvd back in the wrong box and then they spend days looking for that movie again. Boom kodi solves that put it all on a drive. Then they can use the box to Skype with the great grandkids and even use netflix and such.
And your right no one needs the name kodi ti sell a box. In fact there was a company at our state fair last year some of my friends saw i didn't see first hand but the pics i was sent (they were laughing at the cost) they called it whatever the box brand was media center. Kodi was not mentioned no logos no anything.
Cant think of the name now but anyway its just proof people could do what they want and be happy and still keep KODI out of it.
Or use one of the forks that are out there as well.
(2016-02-10, 08:39)samtheman1337 Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking, it shouldn't be too difficult to stop the worst of offenders, when they are using the word "Kodi" in their business name, it is direct trademark infringement to the highest degree and without even needing to question content, shouldn't be too difficult to get taken down. Enough with this madness, let's all do our part and get complaining!
Domain Name: In terms of trademark infringing domain names, the arbitration process seems to be quite simple actually. It is important to note that the domains below aren't simply squatting on domain names, they are actively associating Kodi with piracy through their domain name, and thus causing major damage to the Kodi brand. It would be quite simple for the XBMC Foundation to commence the ICANN dispute resolution process, both the ADR and WIPO provide arbitration forums at a simple cost, it actually wouldn't cost that much when it comes down to the number of offending domain names. Once a decision is reached, the offending domain name would be transferred directly to the XBMC Foundation.
See Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en
See ADR Forum Dispute Resolution Fees: http://www.adrforum.com/UDRPFees
See WIPO Dispute Resolution Fees: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/fees/
koditips.com
bestforkodi.com
kodiuk.tv
kodicommunity.com
xbmckodiaddons.com
kodiportugal.pt
tekto-kodi.com
kodiisengard.com
kodiwizards.com
kodim3u.com
kodimash.com
kodistreaming.blogspot.com
classic-kodi-skins.freeforums.net
kodi.com.hr
kodiuk.tv
mods-kodi.pl
kodielement.com
kodimaster.com
koditvfr.ga
kodi-xbmc.net
koditvdevices.com
kodiandroidtv.com
kodimediaportal.ml
Facebook doesn't want their network used for piracy, so if enough of us complain, these scamming Facebook profiles will be taken down for good.
See Facebook Abuse Reporting: https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/284186058405647
https://www.facebook.com/KODISTREAMSLIVE
https://www.facebook.com/koditips
https://www.facebook.com/kodiprotodoenuno
https://www.facebook.com/kodimalaysia
https://www.facebook.com/kodicommunity
https://www.facebook.com/kodiportugaloficial
https://www.facebook.com/IPTV.PLAYLIST
https://www.facebook.com/Kodiaddonfixes
https://www.facebook.com/KodiTvGuy
https://www.facebook.com/Kodi-Tv-Xmbc-Tv...9133619725
https://www.facebook.com/Kodi-Configurat...0045710702
https://www.facebook.com/mundokodi
https://www.facebook.com/kodiuktv
https://www.facebook.com/Kodi-Builds-1609384972649225
https://www.facebook.com/KPieCustomBuilds
https://www.facebook.com/iptvkodixbmc
https://www.facebook.com/kodiwizards
https://www.facebook.com/kodimanuals
https://www.facebook.com/tamilKODITV
https://www.facebook.com/Kodi-Repositori...3953333398
https://www.facebook.com/Kodi.job
https://www.facebook.com/koditv.mexico
https://www.facebook.com/Kodi-Media-Cent...2693965787
https://www.facebook.com/kodi4u
Twitter generally follows American law, so they definitely don't want pirates killing a legitimate organization's trademark. Hopefully they'll listen if enough of us complain!
See Twitter Trademark Infringement Reporting: https://support.twitter.com/forms/trademark
@KodiCommunity
@KodiTips
@BestforKodi
@KODImediaportal
@AnimalsKodi
@kodiTVGuy
@DetectiveKodi
@GetKodi
@KodiLam
@kodi_koder
@KodiTech01
@1ChiefKodi
@SimpleKodi
edit from Natethomas: To keep this thread on track, we're going to primarily limit posts to either established posters or people who are helping with OP's topic. If you are here to argue or complain in some way, and are a new poster, consider starting or joining another thread.
Why on earth are we even here guys? This guy has 4 posts and just joined kodi? I mean for those of us been doing this for 6,7,8 years now this is stupid to have some guy who clearly got burnt and is mad and wants his 2 minutes of fame.
I have to say Facebook is hit and miss when it comes to geting stuff done.
But i don't think anyone is rushing to Facebook or twitter handles to assume they belong to the official kodi foundation LOL.
I love KOdi i could not imagine not having it. One thing i do miss was being able to sign in and watch amazon prime stuff (since I'm a prime member) in kodi. Since we know the linux boxes and android other then amazons own boxes won't allow you to watch prime content. It was great and having a netflix add-on that didn't require the use of a mouse to get around.
But there were reasons and they are no more.
But my point is we now have a huge forum here all because 1 guy with 4 feedback starts wining?
I'm somewhat offended, all I was trying to do was help.
I wouldn't take offence ! everyone has the right to a opinion and it makes no difference to me how many posts someone has.
If we all shared the same view there wouldn't be a forum.
(2016-02-13, 10:54)Koying Wrote: [ -> ] (2016-02-12, 19:33)MrMC Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting thread....
Totally agree.
Going after piracy addons without actually putting technical measures in place is, in someone else's words, "pissing in the wind"...
I have been quite unsuccessful in convincing the Team, though, but your respected expertise seems to have been heard better
That seems to be going in the wrong direction. No one is going after the add-ons themselves. This is not fighting piracy, it's fighting the sellers and websites to make money selling pirate TV boxes. This same problem could exist (in theory) with just local file support, because it is a marketing problem. It became profitable for the hucksters to push "those" add-ons, and that's why it overshadows everything else. Plex has bootleg add-ons too, but the other parts of Plex are more popular.
Like I said before in this thread, Kodi's best bet is: 1) encourage hucksters to not use the Kodi brand, rather than fight them on it. 2) promote the legal uses of Kodi as much as possible.