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no mention of HDR still...
This german news site claims that HDMI 2.0 is being supported natively. Means we will get rid of the infamous LSPCOn converter chip.

https://www.golem.de/news/gemini-lake-in...31578.html

"Neu ist der Display-Controller der Gen10, welcher erstmals nativ HDMI 2.0 statt per Konverter-Chip unterstützt."

"The new display controller of the Gen10 which now supports HDMI 2.0 natively instead through a converter chip."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146/int...a-features
 
Quote:It is equipped with Intel’s Gen10 display controller supporting native HDMI 2.0 output as well as the Local Adaptive Contrast Enhancement (LACE) designed to improve visibility in glare and bright light.

Anandtech also confirmed native 2.0 support.
(2017-12-12, 18:41)P.Kosunen Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146/int...a-features
 
Quote:It is equipped with Intel’s Gen10 display controller supporting native HDMI 2.0 output as well as the Local Adaptive Contrast Enhancement (LACE) designed to improve visibility in glare and bright light.

Anandtech also confirmed native 2.0 support. 
 If there's no hdr, what is the big deal?
Looking forward for this one. Hope solves our problems with 4K/HDR etc.
(2017-12-13, 22:31)honcho Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-12, 18:41)P.Kosunen Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146/int...a-features
 
Quote:It is equipped with Intel’s Gen10 display controller supporting native HDMI 2.0 output as well as the Local Adaptive Contrast Enhancement (LACE) designed to improve visibility in glare and bright light.

Anandtech also confirmed native 2.0 support.   
 If there's no hdr, what is the big deal?  
 HDR has nothing to do with LSPCON on Kaby Lake or other CPUs with HDMI 2.0 today.

HDR now is all about OS (Linux kernel, latest Windows 10 has limited HDR support) and drivers. So it's up to Intel DRM in Linux kernel development if I am correct and Intel display drivers and Microsoft for better support in Windows 10. Not a hardware limitation anymore.

Also the media software needs to be developed to support HDR. Kodi has no support yet. PowerDVD is the only one with support for Windows if I remeber correctly.

I would say HDR is still a year away before it's ready in any form on Linux (purely guessing).

Android has almost figured out the 4K HDR stuff. Apple TV 4K is looking very promising.
(2017-12-15, 18:52)_Spook_ Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-13, 22:31)honcho Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-12, 18:41)P.Kosunen Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146/int...a-features
 

Anandtech also confirmed native 2.0 support.  
 If there's no hdr, what is the big deal?  
 HDR has nothing to do with LSPCON on Kaby Lake or other CPUs with HDMI 2.0 today.

HDR now is all about OS (Linux kernel, latest Windows 10 has limited HDR support) and drivers. So it's up to Intel DRM in Linux kernel development if I am correct and Intel display drivers and Microsoft for better support in Windows 10. Not a hardware limitation anymore. 
Correct, apollo had no driver support from intel for HDR. Them not mentioning it for gemini is scary IMHO. I doubt it's a hardware limitation, but artificial in order to segment their chips more effectively.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12171/a-b...nd-more/11

Quote: In terms of HTPC hardware, one of the interesting platforms about to debut in shipping systems is Gemini Lake. The low-cost platform supports SGX, HDMI 2.0, and HDCP 2.2. Gemini Lake platforms have a lower power budget and memory performance compared to the KBL-U systems covered in this piece. Intel confirmed that they do not plan to support HDR processing workflows in Gemini Lake due to those constraints. Consumers looking for Gemini Lake to provide a low-cost HTPC platform should prepare to temper their expectations.

Thanks for nothing as usual, Intel.
(2017-12-26, 15:55)HDGMA Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.anandtech.com/show/12171/a-b...nd-more/11
Quote: In terms of HTPC hardware, one of the interesting platforms about to debut in shipping systems is Gemini Lake. The low-cost platform supports SGX, HDMI 2.0, and HDCP 2.2. Gemini Lake platforms have a lower power budget and memory performance compared to the KBL-U systems covered in this piece. Intel confirmed that they do not plan to support HDR processing workflows in Gemini Lake due to those constraints. Consumers looking for Gemini Lake to provide a low-cost HTPC platform should prepare to temper their expectations.

Thanks for nothing as usual, Intel. 
I called that one. Translation "we want people to buy i series chips."
(2017-12-15, 18:52)_Spook_ Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-13, 22:31)honcho Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-12, 18:41)P.Kosunen Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146/int...a-features
 

Anandtech also confirmed native 2.0 support.   
 If there's no hdr, what is the big deal?  
 HDR has nothing to do with LSPCON on Kaby Lake or other CPUs with HDMI 2.0 today.

HDR now is all about OS (Linux kernel, latest Windows 10 has limited HDR support) and drivers. So it's up to Intel DRM in Linux kernel development if I am correct and Intel display drivers and Microsoft for better support in Windows 10. Not a hardware limitation anymore.

Also the media software needs to be developed to support HDR. Kodi has no support yet. PowerDVD is the only one with support for Windows if I remeber correctly.

I would say HDR is still a year away before it's ready in any form on Linux (purely guessing).

Android has almost figured out the 4K HDR stuff. Apple TV 4K is looking very promising.

4K and HDR work fine with madvr. there is a version of kodi with madvr and lav that should have no issues with 4K, HDR, mvc 3D, all of which madvr and lav support really well.

plenty of other players out there too - jriver, mpc, etc...
(2017-12-26, 17:44)TheShoe Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-15, 18:52)_Spook_ Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-13, 22:31)honcho Wrote: [ -> ] If there's no hdr, what is the big deal?  
 HDR has nothing to do with LSPCON on Kaby Lake or other CPUs with HDMI 2.0 today.

HDR now is all about OS (Linux kernel, latest Windows 10 has limited HDR support) and drivers. So it's up to Intel DRM in Linux kernel development if I am correct and Intel display drivers and Microsoft for better support in Windows 10. Not a hardware limitation anymore.

Also the media software needs to be developed to support HDR. Kodi has no support yet. PowerDVD is the only one with support for Windows if I remeber correctly.

I would say HDR is still a year away before it's ready in any form on Linux (purely guessing).

Android has almost figured out the 4K HDR stuff. Apple TV 4K is looking very promising. 

4K and HDR work fine with madvr. there is a version of kodi with madvr and lav that should have no issues with 4K, HDR, mvc 3D, all of which madvr and lav support really well.

plenty of other players out there too - jriver, mpc, etc... 
 There is no HDR on apollo/gemini lake.
(2017-12-27, 17:01)honcho Wrote: [ -> ] There is no HDR on apollo/gemini lake. 
Yes, looks like Intel failed again Sad
Intel confirmed that they do not plan to support HDR processing workflows in Gemini Lake...
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/downloa...dows-15-60-

Intel 23.20.16.4901 driver with Gemini Lake support.
From looking at Asrock forums, these boards should be coming soon.

Interesting, looks like lots of Gemini Lake boards coming our way... Smile
Firmware versions are now 1.0
J4005B-ITX
J4005M
J4105-ITX
J4105B-ITX
J4105M
J5005-ITX
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