Is there are option to hide the new FF and RW buttons in Matrix live TV playback? I am not a big fan of trick play over http and prefer the traditional skip left and right so these just make the screen seem cluttered and make it easier to accidentally click a key I don't want
Martin
I read last week that some changes were likely to happen with the OSD. The changes haven't filtered through to the version I'm currently using, but looking at VideoOSD.xml code on the master this would probably do the trick, if you don't want to see these buttons for LiveTV Playback:-
Change lines 61 + 93 on the VideoOSD.xml file from:-
xml:
<visible>Player.SeekEnabled</visible>
to:-
xml:
<visible>Player.SeekEnabled + !VideoPlayer.Content(LiveTV)</visible>
Not tested myself, but these items seem to be for the FF and RR buttons. The button ID's are 601 and 606. The above edit should hide them when using LiveTV. If you actually want a button to switch these on/off in the settings somewhere, then you will probably need to get somebody to add that feature.
I run on 5+ clients and typically on nightly builds so manually changing a skin everyday is not really practical.
Martin
In that case, there is no option. You will need to ask for a switch be added to disable/hide these buttons.
Good luck.
As the person who added the new buttons I'm struggling to understand your use case @
emveepee if all you want to do is skip why are you even in the OSD? you just use left & right on your remote/keyboard.
(2020-08-03, 21:19)emveepee Wrote: [ -> ]Is there are option to hide the new FF and RW buttons in Matrix live TV playback? I am not a big fan of trick play over http and prefer the traditional skip left and right so these just make the screen seem cluttered and make it easier to accidentally click a key I don't want
Martin
The buttons aren't really new though, they've always been there for other media & just hidden for Live TV. I've never accidentally clicked them to advance a TV Show or Movie or thought they cluttered up the OSD.
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FXB78 The Estuary OSD has never had the rewind/fast forward buttons, before the recent change it wasn't possible for a person with a limited button remote to do rewind/fast forward with Estuary GUI. It was felt that dedicated buttons is something virtually every other Kodi skin (including previous default Confluence) has, in addition dedicated buttons is something you'd find on the GUI of just about any player device/software.
(2020-08-04, 13:29)jjd-uk Wrote: [ -> ]@FXB78 The Estuary OSD has never had the rewind/fast forward buttons, before the recent change it wasn't possible for a person with a limited button remote to do rewind/fast forward with Estuary GUI. It was felt that dedicated buttons is something virtually every other Kodi skin (including previous default Confluence) has, in addition dedicated buttons is something you'd find on the GUI of just about any player device/software.
Ah yes you're right, I stand corrected
I never even noticed although admittedly I've never really used Estuary prior to using Matrix. Every other skin seems to have the buttons so I assumed they were also there on Estuary.
To address some questions
- I understand the reason behind this which is why I asked for the option since the new feature makes perfect sense
- my comments are specific to an option for timeshifted PVR Live TV.
- as a PVR user I do use multi button remote or a keyboard for the best experience so I don't need the butttons
- on the desktop with the mouse it is hard to avoid seeing the clutter when pausing. For me I rarely seek back.
Issues
- with live tv when I typically play "live" rather than timeshifted it adds a key to get to the right side to change channels.
- it is very hard to turn off FF when you are "live" because the file is growing. If it turned off automatically it would address some usability issues.
- technically the bandwidth for anything above about 4x is a problem for http especial with 18Mbs 1080i in my personal experience so it end up being too slow most of the time.
- I personally always found the screen busy with timeshifting information before now it is busier. If a minimal interface removed the textual timeshifting information, even better.
- my prime use for the old style arrow was after pausing I would would hit play and the when a commercial came up, I would hit the left arrow to go live so that is an extra keystroke. It takes more attention to mouse click the correct button now when using a mouse.
Again I am not saying it is bad. In VLC, MPC etc I always opt for minimal displays during playback and I think it would be nice in Kodi too.
Martin
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emveepee my preference would be make the controls smarter if possible rather than introduce setting options, and if I was to think about introducing a setting I'd need convincing it was an issue for more than one person.
Looking at what I can do to try and make the controls smarter, then I've just discovered I can include a check to see if Live TV is in Timeshift mode, so if live Fast Forward is hidden and to only show when in Timeshift mode (so behind live). Currently I'm unsure if I can do anything to check for a buffer that I could use to hide/show Rewind.
Quote:- my prime use for the old style arrow was after pausing I would would hit play and the when a commercial came up, I would hit the left arrow to go live so that is an extra keystroke. It takes more attention to mouse click the correct button now when using a mouse.
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean here by old style arrow
Smart controls make a lot of sense, I like automation and simplicity. I didn't even check or comment PVR Recordings because I use comskip.
To help understand the arrows it is probably better to think of them as chapter skip, depending on the history. I made this video to show how it works at one point to show it working
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ikwi0pd3gk Basically left takes to you beginning of show then left again to the beginning of the previous show. Right can bring to to next show or catchup to live.
My typical use of timeshifting is pause, unpause then play to a commercial and then hit right to catchup to live again usually still in commercial. If FF was smart and did automatically turn to Play rather then staying in FF mode then I could see myself using it for longer pauses or not really caring about hitting it in error.
If pvr.demo doesn't work with live TV timeshifting I can help you set up the NextPVR backend using a legal IPTV source instead of a tuner and it might be clearer.
Martin
Ok I get what you mean now, I was confused by you earlier referring to skipping when the OSD controls are Previous/Next and also mentioning old style which then suggested something had been removed. Personally I'd never use a mouse with Kodi, even on my desktop I do dev stuff on I only every use the keyboard and keep my hands off the mouse. I'm still not convinced it's big enough issue that it requires a setting, but I'm willing to be convinced if there are others with a similar view.
I have far too many windows open to use alt-tab to get to kodi to pause and too many kodi portable instances to use a hotkey. In any case I appreciate having ready access to tempo and can handle it until Matrix stablized enough for custom mods.
Martin
I tried a skin mod and it works the way that I want but I think it highlites the catchup play issue I tried to decript I do it twice so you can just let it play after the first time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moxoc5wpiqs
When I play to end you can seem the two dialog buttons disappear because it isn't timeshifting. However it is still in FF mode. No dropping to 1x speed might be
It begs the question which OSD button turns off FF or RW. Right now it look like it is the pause key. Perhaps the skin should change the button to the Play icon while it is in FF or RW mode?
Martin
(2020-08-06, 23:17)emveepee Wrote: [ -> ]When I play to end you can seem the two dialog buttons disappear because it isn't timeshifting. However it is still in FF mode. No dropping to 1x speed might be
Once it has reached end of buffer so caught up with live then when it's been at x2 or x4 forward speed it seems to take 2 or 3 seconds to sort itself out, but it will resume playing live at x1 speed. It does seem slower at doing this after forwarding at x2 or x4 than x8 and above. In your video I think it's automatically sorting itself out when the cache load icon appears which happened to coincide with you hovering over pause, as I would occasionally get those as well then for me it resumes x1 play immediately after that disappears.