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RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - DaMacFunkin - 2016-11-05
@ppoulos
I get what you are saying, I think the majority of people with boxes like these, and I include the Nvidia Shield here think because it can playback some low bitrate avc mkv with vanilla flavoured DTS at ' whatever' refresh rate the box defaults too as well as a game of Minecraft that the box is brilliant.
It is when you get people like me and you who care about refresh rates, have spent lots of money on DTS:X systems and want to playback high quality files at the best they can be that we unearth the problems and boy is there a lot.
To summarise, the masses are not the ones that Android box developers should be catering for, it is me and you who want the device to do what they say it can do.
P.s. I have found turning off the force 24hz option and setting the box to output 24hz manually in 4:4:4 (Auto) mode solves a lot of problems.
Or try switching to 4:2:2, that seems to be a good option with 24hz forced.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - ppoulos - 2016-11-05
(2016-11-05, 05:14)wrxtasy Wrote: @ppoulos,
I've never found adding SMB Shares, served from a Mac when using any Android Kodi platform to be that reliable to be honest.
Zeroconf is very spotty when adding File shares.
I'm still on El Capitan and this solution works all the time for me with any Android Kodi / Mac > SMB File sharing
1) Setup a Guest User in OSX > Settings & User Groups
2) Make Sure when you add folders for File Sharing in OSX > Settings > Click "Options" and Enable > Share Files & folders using SMB
3) I also make sure the "Everyone" user Group is set to > "Read Only" for any Folder I'm sharing
4) In Kodi when adding those shares use > Add Network Location > SMB > Fill in only the IP Address of the Mac, leave the rest blank.
W.
Thanks for the reply. I have already tried what you suggest with trying to get Mac Native SMB working. I have enabled "Guest User" for Login and Sharing. All my folders for sharing are listed in File Sharing. After turning on File Sharing when I try to find the MacOS SMB Shares with KODI or the built in Media Player the operation errors out. I have tried login with Guest User as the user name, totally anonymous, and trying a simple null password (a single space) - all fail on ANY Android box. By the way, Guest User SMB sign on works with my Intel NUC under windows 10 - go figure. The only way I can get SMB working reliably is to use SMBup and turn off File Share. But since this solution no longer works in MacOs Sierra, I am looking for another option in anticipation of switching to MacOS 10.12 .
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - ppoulos - 2016-11-05
(2016-11-05, 09:39)DaMacFunkin Wrote: I get what you are saying, I think the majority of people with boxes like these, and I include the Nvidia Shield here think because it can playback some low bitrate avc mkv with vanilla flavoured DTS at ' whatever' refresh rate the box defaults too as well as a game of Minecraft that the box is brilliant.
It is when you get people like me and you who care about refresh rates, have spent lots of money on DTS:X systems and want to playback high quality files at the best they can be that we unearth the problems and boy is there a lot.
To summarise, the masses are not the ones that Android box developers should be catering for, it is me and you who want the device to do what they say it can do.
P.s. I have found turning off the force 24hz option and setting the box to output 24hz manually in 4:4:4 (Auto) mode solves a lot of problems.
Or try switching to 4:2:2, that seems to be a good option with 24hz forced.
I agree with your sentiments.
As far as getting 24Hz refresh rate to work I first set my zidoo box to all the recommended settings shown in the Photo Gallery, but that did not fix any problems. Now per your recommendations I have tried to turn off the Force 24hz option without much improvement. I can set the display to AUTO, 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 but I cannot see were the box would output 24hz "manually". In any case I still get bad video stuttering (mainly using NFS, but again less with SMB).
Boy this box has some serious issues to fix!
Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - Caramba69 - 2016-11-05
(2016-11-05, 12:31)ppoulos Wrote:(2016-11-05, 09:39)DaMacFunkin Wrote: I get what you are saying, I think the majority of people with boxes like these, and I include the Nvidia Shield here think because it can playback some low bitrate avc mkv with vanilla flavoured DTS at ' whatever' refresh rate the box defaults too as well as a game of Minecraft that the box is brilliant.
It is when you get people like me and you who care about refresh rates, have spent lots of money on DTS:X systems and want to playback high quality files at the best they can be that we unearth the problems and boy is there a lot.
To summarise, the masses are not the ones that Android box developers should be catering for, it is me and you who want the device to do what they say it can do.
P.s. I have found turning off the force 24hz option and setting the box to output 24hz manually in 4:4:4 (Auto) mode solves a lot of problems.
Or try switching to 4:2:2, that seems to be a good option with 24hz forced.
I agree with your sentiments. I first set my zidoo box to all the recommended settings shown in the Photo Gallery, but that did not fix any problems. Now per your recommendations I have tried to turn off the Force 24hz option without much improvement. I can set the display to AUTO, 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 but I cannot see were the box would output 24hz "manually". In any case I still get bad video stuttering (mainly using NFS, but again less with SMB).
Boy this box has some serious issues to fix!
Same here! No comparison with Rpi3 or a NUC!!!
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RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - bdreams - 2016-11-05
+1 still the same story bugs and bugs I guess android platform will never achieve what we want and they should stop putting out boxes every year saying what it can do and never come to reality. Instead should focus and one box and hardware and get it right. Testing for few minutes in a lab does not compare to the real environment which his us the end user .
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - couto27 - 2016-11-05
(2016-11-05, 16:12)bdreams Wrote: +1 still the same story bugs and bugs I guess android platform will never achieve what we want and they should stop putting out boxes every year saying what it can do and never come to reality.
Dont blame android...People get what they pay for...
$30, $50, $100 $150 are cheap enough for some users, but the chip manufacturer & box manufacturer dont profit enough to keep the same hardware for a few years, their profit relies in the next big thing advertizing
Its preferable to pay a little more for a device that comes from reputable manufactures, like Oppo, Mede8er, Nvidia, Dune, Pioneer that have a history of updating their Firmware even after a few years.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - bdreams - 2016-11-05
Trust me I agree I have never settle for cheap boxes have my trusted nuc running perfect thanks to afedchin. Maybe one day they will get it right keep hoping guest I am at fault trying these boxes over and over again. Not really complaining had hope by now things would have been right just my two cents.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wrxtasy - 2016-11-05
(2016-11-05, 16:42)couto27 Wrote: ... but the chip manufacturer & box manufacturer dont profit enough to keep the same hardware for a few years, their profit relies in the next big thing advertisingI agree with this, particularly when is comes to Chinese Android box sellers. The Bigger the Number of Cores, GHz, RAM speed, resolution, blah blah blah the better. We see it all the time. AMLogic are a good example here.
They were caught earlier this year with their pants down selling 2GHz AML S905's, that were no where near stable at that speed, just trying to keep those Numbers looking good vs the competition.
The other problem is some chip Manufacturers abandon upgrading their Android Software Development Kits for older SoC Chipsets pretty quickly.
Purchasers have to take a reality check here as well. @hdmkv's review for the X9S came out on the September 24th, just over a month ago. I imagine the X9S was released on to the market around that time as well.
So 1 month in the Market, and its been abundantly clear the X9S was still under active development. So purchasers were well aware of what they were getting themselves into.
Zidoo are falling into the same trap as well. Using users as Beta testers for their device, and it will backfire and end up with demanding users marching through the Kodi forums with pitchforks again.
Zidoo would be better served getting together a closed Firmware test group, out of the Public eye and doing proper testing, than saying "fixed" all the time with little comprehensive Internal testing, appearing to be conducted. Just acknowledge the bugs being reported would be my advice and then keep silent.
The same pattern is repeating itself from the previous X6S Pro thread from an outsiders perspective.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - movie78 - 2016-11-05
I think is time for WeTeK to make media player that most of the user are requesting, as WeTek are the company who take supporting the hardware seriously, i think is time for them to jump in the 3D MVC format support.
Just my 2 cents.
PS:for to mention Nvidia.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - hdmkv - 2016-11-05
(2016-11-05, 19:11)wrxtasy Wrote: Zidoo are falling into the same trap as well. Using users as Beta testers for their device, and it will backfire and end up with demanding users marching through the Kodi forums with pitchforks again.Agree @mirror88 in particular (sorry to single you out) promises things as fixed when they turn out not or turn out to have a different issue (MVC MKV, VP9 judder, etc.). This erodes confidence over time. But, using us as beta testers... tell me which company isn't doing this?! WeTek w/Play2, Amazon w/FireTV devices, and heck, even bigwigs like Google, Intel, you name it!
Zidoo would be better served getting together a closed Firmware test group, out of the Public eye and doing proper testing, than saying "fixed" all the time with little comprehensive Internal testing, appearing to be conducted. Just acknowledge the bugs being reported would be my advice and then keep silent.
The same pattern is repeating itself from the previous X6S Pro thread from an outsiders perspective.
X9S isn't X6 Pro. It's in a lot better shape. Yes, there are complex deep color, color space and various render configurations that need to be sorted out... but, it gets the key things most movie + A/V enthusiasts right I think. 3D ISO's w/excellent depth, details, and proper 23.976. 2D at 23.976, 24, 29.970, 30 and 60 all output properly. HD audio mostly working properly (w/latest 1.2.6 just breaking DTS-HD HRA), and most 4K (except VP9) playing quite well. I'm not experiencing the stuttering issues (albeit my 4K display renders at 8-bit and w/o HDR).
I see Zidoo trying really hard, and listening to users, and being communicative... even if they tend to get ahead of themselves. They clearly have work ahead of them, and f/w fixes and tweaks to resolve most issues and combination of issues (w/o breaking things working well) usually take about 8-12 months upon release.
Just my 2 cents
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RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - movie78 - 2016-11-06
@hdmkv
I think what people wants to know is how does a device get A+ ratings what are there criteria that makes a device to get a better ratings than others if some of the features are missing.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - timstephens24 - 2016-11-06
(2016-11-05, 19:11)wrxtasy Wrote: good stuff
All good reasons why mine's now returned. I'd happily beta test, and have on occasion, but I'm not paying $150 to be a beta tester.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - movie78 - 2016-11-06
(2016-11-06, 02:17)timstephens24 Wrote:(2016-11-05, 19:11)wrxtasy Wrote: good stuff
All good reasons why mine's now returned. I'd happily beta test, and have on occasion, but I'm not paying $150 to be a beta tester.
This is why I am holding back, having the device for free and being a beta tester I can careless for bugs, but paying $150 to be a beta tester no thank you.
RE: Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wrxtasy - 2016-11-06
(2016-11-05, 23:39)hdmkv Wrote: ...I'm not experiencing the stuttering issues...(albeit my 4K display renders at 8-bit and w/o HDR).Suggestion - you might want to note this in the Post #1 review as HDR Untested in bold type.
As this looks to be where demanding users are running into issues.
Zidoo X9S & X8 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - Caramba69 - 2016-11-06
The stuttering is especially whith bigger 4k movies and also with 8bit.
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