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RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - mpw1412 - 2014-07-08

Hi,

thanks for your answer.

I use a

- Pico PSU 90 Watt Power-Supply and had anotherone yet
- Western Digital 3 TB and tried another one aswell and replaced the sata cable, too
- DDR from an old laptop, which I tested with memtest several hours long
- a DVB-S2 Sat card with 4 tuners (VDR is the main application on that server)

The Gigabyte support told me to manually compile the lan driver r8168, as the one shipped with the kernel is known for freezes with many connections(I run a torrent client here). But this did not change anything and the devices still responses to pings after a freeze.

But all these hardware pieces worked perfectly together with a different mainboard I installed during the change of the mainboard by gigabyte which took more than two weeks and in all that time the server did not freeze once.

The only difference is, that the J1800N-D2H is fanless. But the little CPU fan did not cool the hdd at all in my setup. Do you use a fan? As the transformator is external with my PSU(like with laptops), there's not much heat in the case.

Which kernel do you use?

Code:
~$ uname -a
Linux Server1 3.13.0-30-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 9 22:45:01 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Code:
server1
    Beschreibung: Arbeitsplatzrechner
    Produkt: To be filled by O.E.M. (To be filled by O.E.M.)
    Hersteller: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    Version: To be filled by O.E.M.
    Seriennummer: To be filled by O.E.M.
    Breite: 64 bits
    Fähigkeiten: smbios-2.8 dmi-2.7 vsyscall32
    Konfiguration: boot=normal chassis=desktop family=To be filled by O.E.M. sku=To be filled by O.E.M. uuid=00020003-0004-0005-0006-000700080009
  *-core
       Beschreibung: Hauptplatine
       Produkt: J1800N-D2H
       Hersteller: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
       Physische ID: 0
       Version: To be filled by O.E.M.
       Seriennummer: To be filled by O.E.M.
       Steckplatz: To be filled by O.E.M.
     *-firmware
          Beschreibung: BIOS
          Hersteller: American Megatrends Inc.
          Physische ID: 0
          Version: F4
          date: 04/29/2014
          Größe: 64KiB
          Kapazität: 960KiB
          Fähigkeiten: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb biosbootspecification uefi
     *-memory
          Beschreibung: Systemspeicher
          Physische ID: 28
          Steckplatz: Systemplatine oder Hauptplatine
          Größe: 4GiB
        *-bank:0
             Beschreibung: DIMM DDR3 1333 MHz (0,8 ns)
             Produkt: EBJ21UE8BDS0-DJ-F
             Hersteller: Elpida
             Physische ID: 0
             Seriennummer: 2FB11065
             Steckplatz: A1_DIMM0
             Größe: 2GiB
             Breite: 64 bits
             Takt: 1333MHz (0.8ns)
        *-bank:1
             Beschreibung: DIMM DDR3 1333 MHz (0,8 ns)
             Produkt: EBJ21UE8BDS0-DJ-F
             Hersteller: Elpida
             Physische ID: 1
             Seriennummer: 52B11065
             Steckplatz: A1_DIMM1
             Größe: 2GiB
             Breite: 64 bits
             Takt: 1333MHz (0.8ns)
     *-cache:0
          Beschreibung: L1 Cache
          Physische ID: 32
          Steckplatz: CPU Internal L1
          Größe: 112KiB
          Kapazität: 112KiB
          Fähigkeiten: internal write-back
     *-cache:1
          Beschreibung: L2 Cache
          Physische ID: 33
          Steckplatz: CPU Internal L2
          Größe: 1MiB
          Kapazität: 1MiB
          Fähigkeiten: internal write-back unified
     *-cpu
          Beschreibung: CPU
          Produkt: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1800  @ 2.41GHz
          Hersteller: Intel Corp.
          Physische ID: 34
          Bus-Informationen: cpu@0
          Version: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1800 @ 2.41GHz
          Steckplatz: SOCKET 0
          Größe: 2408MHz
          Kapazität: 2408MHz
          Breite: 64 bits
          Takt: 83MHz
          Fähigkeiten: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer rdrand lahf_lm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid tsc_adjust smep erms cpufreq
          Konfiguration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 threads=2
     *-pci
          Beschreibung: Host bridge
          Produkt: ValleyView SSA-CUnit
          Hersteller: Intel Corporation
          Physische ID: 100
          Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:00.0
          Version: 0c
          Breite: 32 bits
          Takt: 33MHz
        *-display
             Beschreibung: VGA compatible controller
             Produkt: ValleyView Gen7
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 2
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:02.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pm msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
             Konfiguration: driver=i915 latency=0
             Ressourcen: irq:106 memory:d0000000-d03fffff memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:f080(Größe=8)
        *-storage
             Beschreibung: SATA controller
             Produkt: ValleyView 6-Port SATA AHCI Controller
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 13
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:13.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 66MHz
             Fähigkeiten: storage msi pm ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=ahci latency=0
             Ressourcen: irq:104 ioport:f070(Größe=8) ioport:f060(Größe=4) ioport:f050(Größe=8) ioport:f040(Größe=4) ioport:f020(Größe=32) memory:d0816000-d08167ff
        *-usb
             Beschreibung: USB controller
             Produkt: ValleyView USB xHCI Host Controller
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 14
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:14.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 64 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pm msi xhci bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
             Ressourcen: irq:103 memory:d0800000-d080ffff
        *-generic UNGEFORDERT
             Beschreibung: Encryption controller
             Produkt: ValleyView SEC
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1a
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1a.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pm msi bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: latency=0
             Ressourcen: memory:d0500000-d05fffff memory:d0400000-d04fffff
        *-multimedia
             Beschreibung: Audio device
             Produkt: ValleyView High Definition Audio Controller
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1b
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1b.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 64 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pm msi bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
             Ressourcen: irq:107 memory:d0810000-d0813fff
        *-pci:0
             Beschreibung: PCI bridge
             Produkt: ValleyView PCI Express Root Port
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1c
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1c.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=pcieport
             Ressourcen: irq:16 ioport:e000(Größe=4096) memory:d0700000-d07fffff
           *-network
                Beschreibung: Ethernet interface
                Produkt: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
                Hersteller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
                Physische ID: 0
                Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:01:00.0
                Logischer Name: eth3
                Version: 06
                Seriennummer: 74:d4:35:8c:94:a1
                Größe: 1Gbit/s
                Kapazität: 1Gbit/s
                Breite: 64 bits
                Takt: 33MHz
                Fähigkeiten: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
                Konfiguration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl8168e-3_0.0.4 03/27/12 ip=192.168.178.23 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=1Gbit/s
                Ressourcen: irq:105 ioport:e000(Größe=256) memory:d0704000-d0704fff memory:d0700000-d0703fff
        *-pci:1
             Beschreibung: PCI bridge
             Produkt: ValleyView PCI Express Root Port
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1c.1
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1c.1
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=pcieport
             Ressourcen: irq:17 ioport:2000(Größe=4096) memory:d0600000-d06fffff
           *-multimedia
                Beschreibung: Multimedia controller
                Produkt: Octopus DVB Adapter
                Hersteller: Digital Devices GmbH
                Physische ID: 0
                Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:02:00.0
                Version: 00
                Breite: 64 bits
                Takt: 33MHz
                Fähigkeiten: pm msi pciexpress cap_list
                Konfiguration: driver=DDBridge latency=0
                Ressourcen: irq:17 memory:d0600000-d060ffff
        *-pci:2
             Beschreibung: PCI bridge
             Produkt: ValleyView PCI Express Root Port
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1c.2
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1c.2
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=pcieport
             Ressourcen: irq:18 ioport:3000(Größe=4096)
        *-pci:3
             Beschreibung: PCI bridge
             Produkt: ValleyView PCI Express Root Port
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1c.3
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1c.3
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: driver=pcieport
             Ressourcen: irq:19 ioport:4000(Größe=4096)
        *-isa
             Beschreibung: ISA bridge
             Produkt: ValleyView Power Control Unit
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1f
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1f.0
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: isa bus_master cap_list
             Konfiguration: latency=0
        *-serial UNGEFORDERT
             Beschreibung: SMBus
             Produkt: ValleyView SMBus Controller
             Hersteller: Intel Corporation
             Physische ID: 1f.3
             Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:00:1f.3
             Version: 0c
             Breite: 32 bits
             Takt: 33MHz
             Fähigkeiten: pm cap_list
             Konfiguration: latency=0
             Ressourcen: memory:d0814000-d081401f ioport:f000(Größe=32)
     *-scsi
          Physische ID: 1
          Logischer Name: scsi0
          Fähigkeiten: emulated
        *-disk
             Beschreibung: ATA Disk
             Produkt: WDC WD40EZRX-00S
             Hersteller: Western Digital
             Physische ID: 0.0.0
             Bus-Informationen: scsi@0:0.0.0
             Logischer Name: /dev/sda
             Version: 80.0
             Seriennummer: WD-WCC4E1385980
             Größe: 3726GiB (4TB)
             Fähigkeiten: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt
             Konfiguration: ansiversion=5 guid=0dadccfa-6215-48b7-b30e-cd560bb9721d sectorsize=4096
           *-volume:0
                Beschreibung: Windows FAT Laufwerk
                Hersteller: mkfs.fat
                Physische ID: 1
                Bus-Informationen: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                Logischer Name: /dev/sda1
                Logischer Name: /boot/efi
                Version: FAT32
                Seriennummer: e892-bb9f
                Größe: 92MiB
                Kapazität: 93MiB
                Fähigkeiten: boot fat initialized
                Konfiguration: FATs=2 filesystem=fat mount.fstype=vfat mount.options=rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro name=EFI System Partition state=mounted
           *-volume:1
                Beschreibung: EXT4-Laufwerk
                Hersteller: Linux
                Physische ID: 2
                Bus-Informationen: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                Logischer Name: /dev/sda2
                Logischer Name: /home
                Version: 1.0
                Seriennummer: 28e8726f-e9e7-45b8-8955-d5a107fdb831
                Größe: 3649GiB
                Fähigkeiten: journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink recover extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                Konfiguration: created=2014-05-10 14:41:47 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/home modified=2014-07-08 16:24:15 mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,data=ordered mounted=2014-07-08 16:24:15 state=mounted
           *-volume:2
                Beschreibung: EXT4-Laufwerk
                Hersteller: Linux
                Physische ID: 3
                Bus-Informationen: scsi@0:0.0.0,3
                Logischer Name: /dev/sda3
                Logischer Name: /
                Version: 1.0
                Seriennummer: 3968f9f8-0c1f-43df-b801-27346e415305
                Größe: 76GiB
                Fähigkeiten: journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink recover extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                Konfiguration: created=2014-05-10 14:41:45 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/ modified=2014-07-08 16:24:14 mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered mounted=2014-07-08 16:24:14 state=mounted

Bye
MPW


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - goujam - 2014-07-08

(2014-07-08, 20:51)MediaPi Wrote: I just dont understand how it ccan be that cheap??

It is cheap I notice they have the same error on there main site it says j1800 quad core and in the description it says j1900. I'll see what comes tomorrow and let you know !


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - chippy - 2014-07-09

Just cant decide between Bay trail or a Am1 setup all i know is i want it to use low amount of watts. Duties will be Htpc movie player 24/7 Torrent machine but also Nzb duty as well but no games playing.

What do you think chaps


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - -DDD- - 2014-07-09

Here is an Overview between AM1, Q1900 and Baytrail NUC
http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung-170-asrock_am1h_itx_mit_athlon_5350_und_externem_netzteil_im_test
13, 9, 5W at idle


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - goujam - 2014-07-09

(2014-07-08, 20:51)MediaPi Wrote: I just dont understand how it ccan be that cheap??

Just to confirm it is the MSI j1900 for £44.58 delivered to Argos I can't test it till the weekend but its deffinitly a good price


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - MediaPi - 2014-07-09

Holy mother of wow
this is big. thanks goujam. seriously this is a revolution. Even the dual core beats the N2820 NUC this quad core has just killed it. The difference in price is around £50 haha you could easily get a case for less than that.

Dougie tell me Im crazy but this is the go to board for price per porformance. I am sooo tempted its not even funny. I think I pull the trigger lol Goujam did you order from Ebay site. Im gobsmacked at the price

ARM boards are absolute for me now. I bet you cant even get a decent arm board for this price and this is about 5 leagues above it, in terms of speed and software ease

for my american brothers. this is inclusive of VAT (charged at 20%) take of VAT and it cost £37.15, convert to $ and you get $63.60.


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - chippy - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-09, 19:23)-DDD- Wrote: Here is an Overview between AM1, Q1900 and Baytrail NUC
http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung-170-asrock_am1h_itx_mit_athlon_5350_und_externem_netzteil_im_test
13, 9, 5W at idle

Thanks for the link i cant read German but from what i read from translation it seems the Amd won ?


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - robo989 - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-09, 19:32)goujam Wrote:
(2014-07-08, 20:51)MediaPi Wrote: I just dont understand how it ccan be that cheap??

Just to confirm it is the MSI j1900 for £44.58 delivered to Argos I can't test it till the weekend but its deffinitly a good price

Argos?
Argos don't sell these.


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - chippy - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-10, 01:27)robo989 Wrote:
(2014-07-09, 19:32)goujam Wrote:
(2014-07-08, 20:51)MediaPi Wrote: I just dont understand how it ccan be that cheap??

Just to confirm it is the MSI j1900 for £44.58 delivered to Argos I can't test it till the weekend but its deffinitly a good price

Argos?
Argos don't sell these.

They brought from a company on eBay but it was sent to Argos as a pick up point.


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - MediaPi - 2014-07-10

Ive got a USB IR remote but I use the remote with a GPIO ir sensor. Can I use this on the MSi J1900? thankyou


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - -DDD- - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-10, 01:13)chippy Wrote:
(2014-07-09, 19:23)-DDD- Wrote: Here is an Overview between AM1, Q1900 and Baytrail NUC
http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung-170-asrock_am1h_itx_mit_athlon_5350_und_externem_netzteil_im_test
13, 9, 5W at idle

Thanks for the link i cant read German but from what i read from translation it seems the Amd won ?

That depends on your Preferences and your needs. AMD has AES, and a more powerful GPU,
but the Load Power Consumption is twice as high as Intel J1900.
What are you looking for? Idle Power Consumption?


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - goujam - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-09, 21:46)MediaPi Wrote: Holy mother of wow
this is big. thanks goujam. seriously this is a revolution. Even the dual core beats the N2820 NUC this quad core has just killed it. The difference in price is around £50 haha you could easily get a case for less than that.

Dougie tell me Im crazy but this is the go to board for price per porformance. I am sooo tempted its not even funny. I think I pull the trigger lol Goujam did you order from Ebay site. Im gobsmacked at the price

ARM boards are absolute for me now. I bet you cant even get a decent arm board for this price and this is about 5 leagues above it, in terms of speed and software ease

for my american brothers. this is inclusive of VAT (charged at 20%) take of VAT and it cost £37.15, convert to $ and you get $63.60.

Mediapi yeah I brought it from the scan eBay site. If your buying it with ram or something else and the price is £50 or above before vat you can get free home delivery from the scan website if you join avforums. I already had the memory so used the eBay site.


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - noggin - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-10, 04:28)MediaPi Wrote: Ive got a USB IR remote but I use the remote with a GPIO ir sensor. Can I use this on the MSi J1900? thankyou

I think if you are running on an x86 platform then a USB IR receiver (either RC6 or FLIRC style) is likely to be your best bet. PCs don't have standardised GPIO interfaces (unlike the Raspberry Pi, Arduino etc.) - though you may find that there is a solution that uses LPT/Printer ports it won't be the same pinout as the Pi and I'm not sure how 'standard' the support will be. (And have no idea if your motherboard has a printer port or header) Or you may be very lucky and find that your motherboard has a CIR (Consumer IR) header.

If you are in the UK, Maplin do a £20 Media Centre remote : http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/windows-media-centre-remote-control-a49ha which works out of the box with OpenElec (and is full RC6) I run with a bunch of these - though the actual remotes aren't the longest lasting (but you can replace them with One For All or similar models). The receiver is a small, unobtrusive dongle, which some people have dismantled and mounted internally (with a hole drilled in a case) and connected using an internal USB header to USB adaptor like this ; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/380662654802?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

FLIRC is a programmable USB IR receiver that appears to the machine it is connected to as a standard keyboard. It comes with Windows/OSX/Linux software that lets you program it to work with any regular consumer IR remote (and you can configure it on one machine and then plug it into another). This lets you repurpose an existing remote control and map every key in a customised manner. http://www.amazon.co.uk/FLIRC-Dongle-Media-Centre-Raspberry/dp/B00BB0ETW8


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - MediaPi - 2014-07-10

thanks goujam for confirming.

thanks alot for your explanation noggin. I'll do somemore research to see if its already been done on the MSi j1900i board. flirc is nice but I wanted it to work with the peripherals I alreadys have. im sure their must be a way. I remember JammyB (I think it was him) using a TSOP.... on his NUC


RE: Bay Trail-D motherboards - chippy - 2014-07-10

(2014-07-10, 06:15)-DDD- Wrote:
(2014-07-10, 01:13)chippy Wrote:
(2014-07-09, 19:23)-DDD- Wrote: Here is an Overview between AM1, Q1900 and Baytrail NUC
http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung-170-asrock_am1h_itx_mit_athlon_5350_und_externem_netzteil_im_test
13, 9, 5W at idle

Thanks for the link i cant read German but from what i read from translation it seems the Amd won ?

That depends on your Preferences and your needs. AMD has AES, and a more powerful GPU,
but the Load Power Consumption is twice as high as Intel J1900.
What are you looking for? Idle Power Consumption?

Well this is my needs Duties will be Htpc movie player 24/7 Torrent machine but also Nzb duty as well but no games playing.

The htpc i use at the moment is an amd A6-3500 FM1 with a tdp of 65 watts but i don't leave it on 24/7 because of cost so i wish to bring the cost down by going for lower watts which as you know means lower electric bills.
What i am really wondering is will the intel j1900 be able to handle what i want it to do, i have already brought a 120watt 19v power brick as i was going to use the Asrock DC jack instead of having to buy a pico psu.

Hope this gives an idea.
Thanks