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Kodi Media Player Options with 3D MVC & HD Audio - hdmkv - 2015-03-16 Updated January 2, 2021 This thread is dedicated to media players and home theater computers capable of providing all of the following (ideally natively or as seamlessly) via Kodi:
Please use below as a starting guide, ask questions in this or other 3D threads, conduct additional research and make up your own mind. Select from These Best Options: Players with 'A' grades are not perfect. Nothing is. However, 'A' players get the key requirements of this thread right, with any shortcoming noted. In below, '+' denotes a positive, '-' a shortcoming, and '>' is neutral. #1 Vero 4K+ | Grade: A- + 3D ISO's + 3D MVC MKV's + full HD audio bitstreaming + full 4K HDR w/Max CLL/FALL info passthrough + 4K support up to 60Hz, 10- and 12-bit and HDR and HDR10+ + Native Kodi playback + HDR to SDR tone mapping + All 4K, whether H.264 or HEVC, plays back very smoothly + Excellent PQ with external (native) player + Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X) (with both native player app and ZDMC/Kodi internal playback) + Proper 23.976 & other framerates supported across HD, 3D MVC and 4K + Fantastic support! - Namely macroblocking or overlapping images, on 'Avatar', 'Ready Player One', and possibly a few other 3D titles (potential for a fix by AMLogic finally however) - Requires beta software and needing to keep up with changes #2 Zidoo Z9S (and Z variants) or Z9X (and variants) | Grade: A- + 3D ISO's + 3D MVC MKV's + full HD audio bitstreaming + full 4K HDR w/Max CLL/FALL info passthrough + 4K support up to 60Hz, 10- and 12-bit and HDR (Dolby Vision & HDR10+ support additionally on Z9X) + HDR to SDR tone mapping + All 4K, whether H.264 or HEVC, plays back very smoothly + Excellent PQ with external (native) player + Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X) (with both native player app and ZDMC/Kodi internal playback) + Proper 23.976 and 29.970 support across HD, 3D MVC and 4K + Blu-ray menu support, including w/UHD discs + Fairly solid firmware support - No Kodi-native playback; need to use Kodi fork ZDMC, which is mostly a front-end w/playback pushed to external (native) player app. But the ZDMC-to-native player-to-ZDMC operation is seamless; you'll miss watched flags & use native player's navigation & playback controls vs. Kodi's #3 Zidoo X9S, X8 or X10 | A- + Same as Z-series where 3D playback is concerned, but performance not quite as snappy - No Max CLL/FALL info passthrough for HDR - Same external playback negative as Z-series (may be an issue for some) #4 Intel HTPC's or NUC's with Kodi MVC Build | B+ + Simply gorgeous 3D PQ! Very detailed, amazing depth, spot-on saturation, and just crystal clear! + Support for both MVC MKV's and 3D ISO's + Integrated 3D MVC and HD audio playback via Kodi! No external player + Perfect 23.976 and other framerates + Auto flip-eyes of right-eye first 3D titles + Auto-switching to 3D mode for 3D HSBS and HTAB (HOU) videos, if named correctly + Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X) (check here as a few ATOM-based options can't) > Requires Windows 8 or 10 (latter recommended), so may not be everyone's cup o' tea - Not a plug-and-play solution; requires some set-up work - MVC solution will remain a Kodi fork and this won't be integrated into mainline (uncertain future) - Support is flaky, depending on who steps in to provide it - Fewer & fewer Intel h/w options that still support 3D MVC #5 HiMedia Q5 Pro or Q10 Pro | B+ + 3D ISO's + full HD audio bitstreaming + full 4K! + 4K support includes 60fps, 10-bit, and HDR + All 4K, whether H.264 or HEVC, play back very smoothly + Excellent PQ + Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X) + Almost plug-and-play (just install wrapper, adjust settings) + 23.976 and 29.970 now supported well (FPS in/out) for all 2D (720p/1080p/4K) + Blu-ray menu support, including for UHD discs, added - 23.976 3D ISO's still have minor, but definitely noticeable and bothersome microstutters (as output in 24.000) (This issue isn't expected to be ever resolved!) - For hi-res audio, passes 96Khz & 192Khz with LPCM, but only at 16-bit (not 24-bit) (audio fanatics won't like this) - Requires a 'wrapper' for Kodi to push actual video playback to native HiSilicon-based player, so an external playback solution (may be a negative to some) - Supports MVC in ISO only, not MKV yet (a negative to those who've used MakeMKV to rip MVC MKV's for their 3D collection) #6 Raspberry Pi3 with LibreELEC Test Builds | B+ + Small footprint and fairly cheap! + LibreELEC provides that turn-on-and-just-use media player feel + Integrated 3D MVC playback via Kodi! No external player + Support for both MVC MKV's and 3D ISO's + Perfect 23.976 and other framerates + Excellent PQ + Awesome support by Kodi devs involved - No HD audio bitstreaming, only multichannel. Metadata (describing how things like dynamic range compression and dialog normalization should be handled) will be lost. But, this may not matter to many users - As no bitstreaming, ATMOS and DTS:X are completely lost - Slow/sluggish, especially compared to above 3D media player options Background on 3D and Formats: Please see this post in wrxtasy's 'Pick the Right Kodi Box' thread to understand what kind of Kodi 3D boxes are available (and how 3D is implemented by manufacturers). Why can't all Kodi 3D players support full 3D as seamlessly as RPi2/3 (and now Intel h/w with Windows) do? See noggin's explanation here. For naming your 3D videos so whatever skin you're using properly picks them up, see here for ISO's and this wiki. Want Full-featured 3D with Windows? Check out @brazen1's thorough guide! While the latest Intel drivers and Kodi MVC builds support 3D ISO and MVC MKV playback, only way to get menus and additional features remains via external players like PowerDVD and TotalMedia Theatre for Kodi to leverage. 3D ISO's vs. MKV's: For widest compatibility with 3D Kodi media players, I recommend ripping 3D Blu-rays to ISO, either full disc via AnyDVD HD or movie-only ISO via AnyDVD HD & tsMuxeR (see guide to do this here, and rely on this to identify forced forced subs to mux in). MKV is a more efficient container and requires less CPU power to split/play vs. ISO, but only RPi2/3, Intel (HT)PC's under Windows 8/10, and couple of other players (like Himedia H8 & Zidoo X6) support it. Another benefit of ripping to movie-only ISO's or MKV's is forced subtitles. A number of players don't support it, so if you separate the forced sub only, you can create a new ISO or MKV with just that subtitle track. Why Those Weird Vertical Bands on Left/Right Edges of Some 3D Movies: This appears to be intentional by studios. See this thread over at Blu-ray.com for details. Right-eye First 3D Blu-ray's: Most 3D Blu-ray's are left-eye first, but a few are authored right-eye first. This isn't an issue for actual Blu-ray players, but can often be for Kodi and media players. For these, unless the player/app can detect right-eye first and auto-invert, you'll need to do this manually via the player's flip-eyes or swap-left/right function. Otherwise, the 3D picture gets displayed improperly and looks garbled (sort of like looking into a mirror with multiple cracks). - Bait - The Boss Baby - The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Trader - The Darkest Hour (reported by @ArieS) - Dolphin Tale - Drive Angry - Edge of Tomorrow - Ghostbusters (2016) - Gulliver's Travels - The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - Ice Age 3: Dawn of the Dinosaurs - Journey to Space (reported by @ArieS) - The Jungle Book (reported by @Charger Hellcat) - Life of Pi (reported by @movie78) - Pan (reported by @movie78) - The Peanuts Movie (reported by @ArieS) - Rio - A Turtle's Tale: Sammy's Adventures 3D, HD audio & framerate test clips collection: Please see this wiki. Analysis and Inventory of the Best Uses of 3D:
The Best A-list Uses of 3D: Must-haves in green!
The Best B-list or Guilty Pleasures in 3D:
Terrific 3D Animated & Live Action Shorts:
More 3D Resources:
RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - movie78 - 2015-03-16 My Current Testing Hardware RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - hdmkv - 2015-03-16 Is there any benefit of Zapitti 4k over other RTD1195 players? Just wondering if it deserves a separate column. RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - looun - 2015-03-16 (2015-03-16, 00:44)hdmkv Wrote: Thought having a chart like this would be helpful as we're getting more choices for Android-based players capable of Kodi, 3D ISO (frame-packed) playback, and HD audio passthrough. Ideally should have all these features to qualify as an all-in-one-box. What do you guys think? i think missing - gamma: BT.907 ... - Codec: h264/4k/8bit, h265/1080p/8bit or Codec : H.265 [email protected], H.264 BP/MP/[email protected] MVC - external subtitle: 2D/3D/Full 3D, only 2d .... - net protocol support: SMB,NFS ecc internal(dvd player) end/or external - share internal memory/HD folder procol support: samba, ftp ecc - VXP/VPU: function/ menu / enhancement - player IU function: many/classic/little (live without exit playback) - player IU design: simple/ nice/ not easy - frequency switch: 24/50/60, internal/external player - power mode: on/off/suspend - LPCM output: 44.1/48/96/192 - DAC quality: good/bad/... - play store: yes/no/pre-installed(or present)/not all apps is compatible - remote control WIFI/bluetooth: not work/ install from play store/ proprietary - hd audio passthrough: DTS-HD/dolby True 7.1,DTS-HD/dolby True 5.1 , only DTS-HD - thermal dissipation: good/bad.. - unlock root: yes/no - share content support: DLNA/airplay/miracast/ app proprietary i suppose is all... RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - hdmkv - 2015-03-16 looun, thanks, I did ask, but wondering if all you listed is TMI (too much information) . Let me see what I can add w/o making list too large. I've updated first post to include Rasberri Pi for now. Also, OpenELEC is now a contender, not just Android. I didn't include Windows (with PowerDVD/TMT) as it's too much work to get 3D and doesn't feel like a set-top device. RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - looun - 2015-03-16 (2015-03-16, 15:15)hdmkv Wrote: looun, thanks, I did ask, but wondering if all you listed is TMI (too much information) . Let me see what I can add w/o making list too large. I've updated first post to include Rasberri Pi for now. Also, OpenELEC is now a contender, not just Android. I didn't include Windows (with PowerDVD/TMT) as it's too much work to get 3D and doesn't feel like a set-top device. most important are: - external subtitle: 2D/3D/Full 3D - net protocol support: SMB,NFS ecc internal(dvd player) end/or external - frequency switch: 24/50/60, internal/external player - LPCM output: 44.1/48/96/192 - play store: yes/no/pre-installed(or present)/not all apps is compatible PowerDVD/TMT on windows: not support external subtitle with FULL 3D and 5 minute (load app mount iso ecc) for see a film. ....inusable i think useful have compare with a classic media player like PCH(Top quality) Vten or A-400 RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - Wolly - 2015-03-16 BD-Lite Menu: No. Oh, but we have the full BD-J Menu. RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - Wolly - 2015-03-16 I think the so called BD-lite menu is that they cannot work out the full BD-J menu, so they made a lite menu instead. RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - movie78 - 2015-03-16 I like the support for Full BD J menu support on the VidOn,only one thing missing, 3D iso playback doesn't work in Full BD J Menu... RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - hdmkv - 2015-03-16 Does full menu work now with VidOn w/BD-J 2.0, via Kodi? RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - wrxtasy - 2015-03-16 RPi2: - Bootup time of an RPi2 Overclocked on Turbo settings running Kodi 15.0 - Isengard including the 5 second splash screen is 18 seconds. - GUI Speed in Kodi 15 on this platform is very snappy. Faster than my i5 iMac with Kodi on Yosemite. - VC1 playback - Yes - enabled by purchasing a cheap as chips Licence. - DeInterlacing quality beats any some Android platforms. AMlogic S805 deinterlacing superior. (2015-01-31, 17:05)popcornmix Wrote: For DVD resolution the Pi will do a Motion Adaptive Deinterlace similar to YADIF. http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=216693&pid=1910160#pid1910160 - H265 decoding at the moment limited to approx 1.2Mbps at 1280x720p resolution, likely to improve slightly with NEON multicore code optimisations. RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - hdmkv - 2015-03-16 Quote:RPi2 Overclocked on Turbo settingsNot had a Pi before, but ordered a Pi 2. Is it fairly easy to overclock as you suggested? A guide somewhere? Thanks. RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - MrNice - 2015-03-16 Please could you add: - SACD/DSDIFF, DST multi-channel playback - ISO, folder playback - Number of metadata reading - Number of metadata sorting/selecting RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - hdmkv - 2015-03-16 What do you mean by metadata reading & sorting/selecting? Speed while scraping & when loading/browsing libraries? RE: Player Choices with Kodi + 3D ISO + HD Audio - MrNice - 2015-03-16 Metadata = tags How to select music with tags. But sorry I did a mistake about that, this is a software feature and this table list hardware features. (this is because at this time I am struggling to get better tags in Kodi) Never mind about the tags. Maybe ISO/folder playback is a software feature as well. |