(2017-10-27, 14:05)JustAnotherUser Wrote: hmm, at least one or more of those issues manifest themselves on pretty much all players in this thread, especially the micro stutter, so seems a bit unfair to level a "stay away from" at egreat ?

(2017-12-01, 21:53)hdmkv Wrote: Need more inputs on 3D performance before adding as recommended. Most of us haven’t had as positive experiences with AllWinner SoC’s, but this may be decent. Is 3D render full resolution? Are both MVC MKV’s & ISO’s supported? Proper playback of 2D & 3D 23.976? How seamlessly is the Kodi to native player playback/return handled?

(2017-12-19, 11:02)cesarleeds Wrote: What is the best Kodi build for 3D mvc play on rapsberry pi 2/3?

(2017-07-11, 23:35)brazen1 Wrote:

(2017-07-11, 21:06)Korrigan Wrote: So what are the options for a box that can do 4K, HDR, 3D Frame Packing, HD audio passthrough, HDMI CEC and 23.976 Hz?
Apollo Lake and Kaby Lake both fail some of the above.

The ONLY thing that 'Does it all' is a Widows 10 computer of any type with an Nvidia GTX 960 graphics card or better as long as it hardware decodes, especially HEVC.
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Expect a resurgence in the HTPC market based on shortcomings of the streaming box fad or you can keep adding collections of them and fumble around constantly.
There's probably a couple worthless bells and whistles a streaming box offers exclusively. Personally, I'm only interested in the meat and potatoes, not the sauce.

Afaik, there is NOTHING else out there that can make the same claims. N O T H I N G. 

(2017-07-11, 23:35)brazen1 Wrote:

(2017-07-11, 21:06)Korrigan Wrote: So what are the options for a box that can do 4K, HDR, 3D Frame Packing, HD audio passthrough, HDMI CEC and 23.976 Hz?
Apollo Lake and Kaby Lake both fail some of the above.

The ONLY thing that 'Does it all' is a Widows 10 computer of any type with an Nvidia GTX 960 graphics card or better as long as it hardware decodes, especially HEVC.
Kodi internal media player is not 3D frame packed or HDR capable. The custom Kodi MVC build for 3D frame packed is 1.3 HDMI port only and 4k requires HDMI 2.0. A different player is required and easily and seamlessly integrated into the Kodi GUI. PowerDVD and MPC-BE with madVR both handle 3D frame packed and HDR perfectly be it HDR to SDR and/or passthrough at 8bit or 10bit RGB full or YCbCr from a single HDMI 2.0 port. The same is not true for Intel Graphics or AMD graphics. Iso, mkv, mp4, bdmv, whatever you got.

PowerDVD allows full menus which introduce Cinavia protection overcome using RedFox. MPC-BE with madVR only allows main movie playback but does not introduce Cinavia.

Understand, once hardware and software is setup, you never have to adjust anything again. No fumbling with HDMI cables based on what you're watching. No O/S settings to turn on or off. No GPU settings to change according to content. No settings to flip flop in Kodi. Etc. Simply navigate the Kodi library, press enter on a title and it plays with no intervention. You can however select your player of choice manually within Kodi if you'd like. There are also many options of how you would like your defaults to work based on your own unique preferences. It's nice to have choices.

HD audio including DTS:X and Atmos as well as every other simply work and display on your AVR as they should. Matching frame rates is a breeze with no skipped, dropped or missed frames be it 23.976, 29.97, 59.94 (24, 30, 60 Hz) etc.

HDMI CEC I can't comment on. I use a Harmony remote programmed to turn the HTPC and related components On and Off in sequence based on the source inputs.

Also makes for a nice server to similar HTPC's. Most streaming apps on your display or your streaming box work just as well from Windows and/or plug-ins within Kodi.
Most of all, all media needs are in one box in one place, easily updateable and/or repaired economically and never ends up in the landfill. Mine is originally circa 2008. Btw, you can also use the same box for ALL your other computing and internet desires.
Expect a resurgence in the HTPC market based on shortcomings of the streaming box fad or you can keep adding collections of them and fumble around constantly.
There's probably a couple worthless bells and whistles a streaming box offers exclusively. Personally, I'm only interested in the meat and potatoes, not the sauce.

Afaik, there is NOTHING else out there that can make the same claims. N O T H I N G.  

(2017-12-22, 23:07)brazen1 Wrote:

(2017-07-11, 23:35)brazen1 Wrote:

(2017-07-11, 21:06)Korrigan Wrote: So what are the options for a box that can do 4K, HDR, 3D Frame Packing, HD audio passthrough, HDMI CEC and 23.976 Hz?
Apollo Lake and Kaby Lake both fail some of the above.

The ONLY thing that 'Does it all' is a Widows 10 computer of any type with an Nvidia GTX 960 graphics card or better as long as it hardware decodes, especially HEVC.
Kodi internal media player is not 3D frame packed or HDR capable. The custom Kodi MVC build for 3D frame packed is 1.3 HDMI port only and 4k requires HDMI 2.0. A different player is required and easily and seamlessly integrated into the Kodi GUI. PowerDVD and MPC-BE with madVR both handle 3D frame packed and HDR perfectly be it HDR to SDR and/or passthrough at 8bit or 10bit RGB full or YCbCr from a single HDMI 2.0 port. The same is not true for Intel Graphics or AMD graphics. Iso, mkv, mp4, bdmv, whatever you got.

PowerDVD allows full menus which introduce Cinavia protection overcome using RedFox. MPC-BE with madVR only allows main movie playback but does not introduce Cinavia.

Understand, once hardware and software is setup, you never have to adjust anything again. No fumbling with HDMI cables based on what you're watching. No O/S settings to turn on or off. No GPU settings to change according to content. No settings to flip flop in Kodi. Etc. Simply navigate the Kodi library, press enter on a title and it plays with no intervention. You can however select your player of choice manually within Kodi if you'd like. There are also many options of how you would like your defaults to work based on your own unique preferences. It's nice to have choices.

HD audio including DTS:X and Atmos as well as every other simply work and display on your AVR as they should. Matching frame rates is a breeze with no skipped, dropped or missed frames be it 23.976, 29.97, 59.94 (24, 30, 60 Hz) etc.

HDMI CEC I can't comment on. I use a Harmony remote programmed to turn the HTPC and related components On and Off in sequence based on the source inputs.

Also makes for a nice server to similar HTPC's. Most streaming apps on your display or your streaming box work just as well from Windows and/or plug-ins within Kodi.
Most of all, all media needs are in one box in one place, easily updateable and/or repaired economically and never ends up in the landfill. Mine is originally circa 2008. Btw, you can also use the same box for ALL your other computing and internet desires.
Expect a resurgence in the HTPC market based on shortcomings of the streaming box fad or you can keep adding collections of them and fumble around constantly.
There's probably a couple worthless bells and whistles a streaming box offers exclusively. Personally, I'm only interested in the meat and potatoes, not the sauce.

Afaik, there is NOTHING else out there that can make the same claims. N O T H I N G.    

 Well, I don't know?  In all the months that have gone by since writing this, has something changed?  Is there a single device on the shelf now that can do it all?  I agree with you about streaming from an HTPC for the most part.  If I was even slightly interested in streaming and subscription services, I'd just use the built in apps in my display and let the HTPC cover the rest or maybe purchase a complimenting device if I didn't mind limiting myself like the vast majority of hooked users.  But I do mind.  Let's just say, I like having everything in one device at the highest quality possible that will play anything perfectly with one remote and one button push (except for subscription streaming).  To achieve this takes nothing more than a $150 video card, what ever relic PC you have lying around or can obtain, some peripherals like a programmable remote, some elbow grease and ability to follow directions.  I should also state that to play UHD from (disc) will require a bit more but from file is just as stated and at this time a dedicated player is the best option.  That's just my preference.  I'm well aware the masses choose another route.  I'd like them to know there are choices seeings how HTPC's have been given a very bad name in order to PuSh the pay streaming scene.