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RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Warner306 - 2015-10-29

(2015-10-29, 14:26)huhn Wrote: 10 bit output is a complicated mess.

Quote:An 8-bit (Rec. 709) source cannot be expanded to a new gamut.

you can do stuff like this but it's not a good idea. expending just result in totally wrong colors.

madVR supports BT 2020 output but no TV can came close to BT 2020 and the TV doesn't know this is a BT 2020 picture and it always expecting a BT 709 image from the PC (and this is maybe totally wrong in a just 2 years). but madVR can map BT 709 gamut to BT 2020 and 10 bit output get's useful for this but yeah like said earlier there is no sane way to make use of this.

to make things even more complicated UBD doesn't use a normal gamma curve it uses PQ so it is kind of even more useless to do stuff like this. PQ isn't supported in madVR and there is currently no way to tell your TV this is PQ gamma not gamma 2.2 yet.

but if you are a calibrator with a meter and you calibrated your device in native gamut you can use of the extra gamut of your screen using a 3D LUT and make use of it with the handful of BT 2020 source with gamma 2.2.

Quote:Typically, TVs supporting UHD resolutions also support output bit depths of 10-bits or more, but this is not always the case. Many olders TVs are also native 10 bit panels. To confirm 10-bit output is received, the following test protocol can be undertaken.

nearly all TVs support 12 bit INPUT nearly no UHD TV has a 10 BIT display. the 10 bit UHD screens are the flagships with HDR support (you really need 10 bit for HDR). there is no consumer grade 12 bit display. older post from ~2008-2010 like to talk about 12 bit displays but that's about internal processing and this is mixed up a lot too. but what so ever most UHD screens don't have a 10 bit panel but this doesn't matter anyway most can't deal with the UBD spec anyway.

Quote:Be careful when selecting 10-bit output with an 8-bit panel. Additional dithering will be added to the image by the GPU at output, reducing image quality. It is always a safe bet to set madVR to 8-bits if the panel bit-depth is unknown.

because 12 bit input is very common on TVs this isn't the case with most TVs the TV is dithering/rounding.

for nearly all PC monitors the GPU has to dither/round to 8 bit because most don't support 10 bit input.

but yeah I don't see a way to get this topic 100% correct there are a lot of "IF" and it would be half a book or something like that to make this topic 100% correct.

is "only deinterlace pixel in the middle of the frame" the setting from processing -> deinterlacing "only look at pixels in the center (good for broadcasts, bad for anime)"

http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Warner306/DSPlayer/madVR-gui_zpskdjjtyew.png

if yes it should be renamed it does something different for IVTC. deinterlacing is not effected by it. only deinterlacing the middle of a screen is totally pointless ^^.


You would have to be more clear about the deinterlacing setting. Post this in the main form so aracnoz can see it. I have it turned on, but know nothing about its function. If the label is inaccurate, it should be changed.


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Warner306 - 2015-10-29

I'm still confused on the bit depths. Is this any better?

Typically, TVs supporting UHD resolutions also support 10-bit output, but this is not always the case. UHD TVs supporting High Dynamic Range (HDR) are the only models currently requiring this spec. Many olders TVs are also native 10 bit panels. To confirm 10-bit output is received, the following test protocol can be undertaken.

Remapping an 8-bit (Rec. 709) source to a larger gamut is possible but will not likely result in any gain in color saturation or image detail. This expansion increases the number of steps between each color for an additional 2-bits of precision and less added dithering. However, the result can be inaccurate colors due to an improper mapping of the new gamut or improper display by the TV. 10-bit (Rec. 2020) sources are the only sources that truly benefit from 10-bit output by preserving the expanded gamut contained within the source.


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - huhn - 2015-10-29

Quote:Typically, TVs supporting UHD resolutions also support 10-bit output, but this is not always the case. UHD TVs supporting High Dynamic Range (HDR) are the only models currently requiring this spec. Many olders TVs are also native 10 bit panels. To confirm 10-bit output is received, the following test protocol can be undertaken.

this is ok even through ~97% of all UHD TVs are 8 bit.

just ignore the gamut part it is simply not usable yet.


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Warner306 - 2015-10-30

(2015-10-29, 23:04)huhn Wrote:
Quote:Typically, TVs supporting UHD resolutions also support 10-bit output, but this is not always the case. UHD TVs supporting High Dynamic Range (HDR) are the only models currently requiring this spec. Many olders TVs are also native 10 bit panels. To confirm 10-bit output is received, the following test protocol can be undertaken.

this is ok even through ~97% of all UHD TVs are 8 bit.

just ignore the gamut part it is simply not usable yet.

I posted this question on Doom9 for further clarification. I feel like I writing over my head, even if this guide is just for fun.


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - hugh6881 - 2015-10-30

(2015-10-29, 15:00)hugh6881 Wrote:
(2015-10-29, 08:17)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-10-29, 05:52)hugh6881 Wrote: Help! When I set DSplayer with Madvr, the movies play in slow motion. Picture look awesome, but it doesn't play smooth. But when I change back to the default player in kodi, it plays just fine. What did I do wrong? By the way I have Intel Nuc i5 5th gen. with Windows 10

The NUC uses integrated graphics, so you won't get much further than the default madVR settings. You could also try setting image upscaling to "DXVA," which also offers pretty good quality at a low cost.

Please read the madVR sections for help on settings. It is the whole point of this post.




I Change it to DXVA and It made a big different. But motion is still not as smooth...But a lot better. Is this because of the integrated Graphic?



Ok when I change it to DXVA image still a little choppy, but for some reason it doesn't play DTS-HD audio. But when I Disable DTS-HD and chose regular DTS, the movies is no longer choppy and I get regular DTS audio and not DTS-HD. Playing movies with DTS-HD, the image is choppy, but disable DTS-HD the image is fine. Any ideas whyHuh


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Warner306 - 2015-10-30

(2015-10-30, 17:49)hugh6881 Wrote:
(2015-10-29, 15:00)hugh6881 Wrote:
(2015-10-29, 08:17)Warner306 Wrote: The NUC uses integrated graphics, so you won't get much further than the default madVR settings. You could also try setting image upscaling to "DXVA," which also offers pretty good quality at a low cost.

Please read the madVR sections for help on settings. It is the whole point of this post.




I Change it to DXVA and It made a big different. But motion is still not as smooth...But a lot better. Is this because of the integrated Graphic?



Ok when I change it to DXVA image still a little choppy, but for some reason it doesn't play DTS-HD audio. But when I Disable DTS-HD and chose regular DTS, the movies is no longer choppy and I get regular DTS audio and not DTS-HD. Playing movies with DTS-HD, the image is choppy, but disable DTS-HD the image is fine. Any ideas whyHuh

DTS-HD can't be decoded because of your audio equipment. The video won't be any choppier. Just stick with DTS.

Please keep this type of correspondence in the official DSPlayer forum.


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - djhifi - 2015-11-05

Will this work on Openelec?


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Talguy - 2015-11-05

(2015-11-05, 02:43)djhifi Wrote: Will this work on Openelec?
This is for Windows only as it is a directshow player


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - tingtong5 - 2015-11-12

I do not manage to get internal blu-ray subtitles to work. I followed the guide to the letter but subtitles are not being displayed. I do see a list of several PSG subtitle choices during playback when using the subtitle menu but nothing is being displayed. External subtitles do work. How do I get PSG subtitles being displayed ?


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Warner306 - 2015-11-13

(2015-11-12, 22:09)tingtong5 Wrote: I do not manage to get internal blu-ray subtitles to work. I followed the guide to the letter but subtitles are not being displayed. I do see a list of several PSG subtitle choices during playback when using the subtitle menu but nothing is being displayed. External subtitles do work. How do I get PSG subtitles being displayed ?

Access the Audio Settings menu during playback, and enable the subtitles checkbox. Save for all videos.

Also, check PGS subtitles and the correct language in the LAV Splitter. You might also have an issue with the subtitle selection mode (do not select forced in LAV or XySubFilter if this is the incorrect mode).


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - tingtong5 - 2015-11-13

(2015-11-13, 00:35)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-11-12, 22:09)tingtong5 Wrote: I do not manage to get internal blu-ray subtitles to work. I followed the guide to the letter but subtitles are not being displayed. I do see a list of several PSG subtitle choices during playback when using the subtitle menu but nothing is being displayed. External subtitles do work. How do I get PSG subtitles being displayed ?

Access the Audio Settings menu during playback, and enable the subtitles checkbox. Save for all videos.

Also, check PGS subtitles and the correct language in the LAV Splitter. You might also have an issue with the subtitle selection mode (do not select forced in LAV or XySubFilter if this is the incorrect mode).

Thanks a lot! I am going to try this weekend :-)


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - tingtong5 - 2015-11-14

(2015-11-12, 22:09)tingtong5 Wrote: I do not manage to get internal blu-ray subtitles to work. I followed the guide to the letter but subtitles are not being displayed. I do see a list of several PSG subtitle choices during playback when using the subtitle menu but nothing is being displayed. External subtitles do work. How do I get PSG subtitles being displayed ?

One more question though... Two actually ;-)

What does forced subtitles exactly mean?
When not using "forced mode" , what does default mode do? And when to use advanced?

Sorry, that's three ;-)

Thanks!

Ronald


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - tingtong5 - 2015-11-14

(2015-11-13, 00:35)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-11-12, 22:09)tingtong5 Wrote: I do not manage to get internal blu-ray subtitles to work. I followed the guide to the letter but subtitles are not being displayed. I do see a list of several PSG subtitle choices during playback when using the subtitle menu but nothing is being displayed. External subtitles do work. How do I get PSG subtitles being displayed ?

Access the Audio Settings menu during playback, and enable the subtitles checkbox. Save for all videos.

Also, check PGS subtitles and the correct language in the LAV Splitter. You might also have an issue with the subtitle selection mode (do not select forced in LAV or XySubFilter if this is the incorrect mode).
I did both, I can see that for instance english PSG is selected in audio menu, however nothing is being displayed. When using another media player it does work..
I tried all settings that are related to subtitles but never get PSG to work :-(

If anyone has any more hints then please let me know, PSG subs are the only thing that I do not get to work well in my kodi/madvr/svp htpc setup.


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - Warner306 - 2015-11-14

Take this question to the main forum. Someone may be able to help you there. I'm not an expert in subtitles.

What subtitle selection mode are you using?


RE: HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR - tingtong5 - 2015-11-14

(2015-11-14, 21:50)Warner306 Wrote: Take this question to the main forum. Someone may be able to help you there. I'm not an expert in subtitles.

What subtitle selection mode are you using?
Ok, thanks for the suggestion!

I tried them all....


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