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RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - PixelJunkie77 - 2016-02-12 Long story: short, I just feel you guys have gone about this the wrong way, and are coming across very negatively. one example: (2016-02-12, 01:56)ClassicNancy Wrote:(2016-02-12, 01:44)keith Wrote:(2016-02-12, 01:41)ClassicNancy Wrote: Your contact page on the website says there is no email and to refer to the forum.If you can't find it, you can post here and ask us as well. (2016-02-12, 02:03)keith Wrote: No you cannot, as per the trademark policy: RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - Ned Scott - 2016-02-12 I think there was some miscommunication there, because ClassicNancy can use "Classic Skins for Kodi", so long as the end result isn't confusing to visitors/users (which is very doubtful). RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - shearer69 - 2016-02-12 where is such a thing as a list of allowed & compliant addons that work and what they do RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - PixelJunkie77 - 2016-02-12 Does the Kodi team own the trademark of the name Kodi in the UK? because the .gov site says it is registered to a korean finance company https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/4/EU003296571 RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - helta - 2016-02-12 shearer69: http://kodi.wiki/view/Category:All_add-ons RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - Gombeek - 2016-02-12 (2016-02-12, 20:39)Soulbind Wrote: Streaming content is downloading, how do you think that video comes up on your screen from X server on the Internet, by magic? It's downloaded chunk-by-chunk , in a buffer. Instead of waiting for the full download, like on a torrent, you playback the X downloaded chunk, meanwhile downloading the next Y one, then play Y , repeat. It's just as illegal as torrents, copyright laws do not mention if you download the full thing or part-by-part, non-authorized duplication of copyrighted content is piracy, and when you're streaming, you're doing exactly that. Streaming is legal in most parts of the world as it is only playing the content and dumping from the ram not actually saving it to the hard drive. The was an excellent article written in a paper about it, basically once something is uploaded to the internet legally or illegally it becomes public domain and can be viewed but storing the content is illegal. Even the DMCA was quoted as saying (and I'm not going to use quotes because i can't find the original article but this is the jist of it) currently with the law we can't say it is illegal to stream. The android market is the lions share of the current "piracy" market. yes there are other devices but you have to look at the market share of the devices and the influence they hold. Android easily accounts for 90% of the market. You're right you'll never stop everyone but you can stop the masses. (2016-02-12, 20:48)Ned Scott Wrote: I understand some of the one-off posters getting banned, but there are at least two long time forum posters who have been banned for what seems like "disagreeing with Team Kodi". I don't think that is the case, but it looks like that to the outsider, and that looks bad. Right now a lot of people are trying to convince the masses that Team Kodi has gone crazy, and this reinforces that false narrative. I completely agree, your responses are very diplomatic and i think a lot of the readers and contributors are getting fearful to post or speak their mind because of sed bans, in fact as i write this i feel like I'm on egg shells, wether that is how it is or not it's the feeling being conveyed in this thread. Im not going to point fingers but as some other members have posted some of the Dev team can be very abrupt I'm their responses, and again i completely understand why, it can be very frustrating responded to the same questions repeatedly when there is policy pages and wikis answering these questions or comments but some tact needs to be employed when dealing with the public. It would be better to not respond at all than some of the abrupt comments. It's very easy to make enemies and very hard to make friends, going about things with the attitude of fingers up to the world we don't need you doesn't help your cause, it only makes it harder. I get it, Kodi doesn't care about popularity, donations, etc... they only want to make their software and thats totally fine, but again this leads back to not being able to have it both ways. The notoriety is from the popularity of Kodi, the popularity comes from the public, the assumptions and associations also come from the public. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. IMHO RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - shearer69 - 2016-02-12 the video addons section 3yr old RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - enen92 - 2016-02-12 (2016-02-12, 19:33)MrMC Wrote: Interesting thread.You have some pretty good ideas there. Just out of curiosity how would you takle the IPTV crap with for instance IPTV simple? It looks like the #1 issue here. Also if I understood correctly you can still have an addon installed in "Kodi". Some of them now are just shitty "list" readers. That means someone can just update a remote list and keep the same version of an addon running without the need to push updates to a repo. Honestly it looks a good compromise on freedom and security/protection. Cheers RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - Ned Scott - 2016-02-12 (2016-02-12, 22:04)PixelJunkie77 Wrote: Does the Kodi team own the trademark of the name Kodi in the UK? I'm not sure what the status is on EU/UK trademark registration, but trademarks have different categories. When one gets a registered trademark it is only for their specific category. For example, Kodi in the US is also registered to someone who does "Audio and video recordings featuring music and artistic performances; Audio recordings featuring hip hop; Digital music downloadable from the Internet." Another is for "Non-metal clips for securing reinforcement bars and construction bars." Meanwhile this Kodi is for "Computer software programs for the integration of text, audio, graphics, still images and moving pictures into an interactive delivery for multimedia applications." So it doesn't matter if someone else is using the same name so long as it's also not in the same category. RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - ilovemymac - 2016-02-12 So if someone uses kodi on a box but doesn't use the name kodi or the logo in advertising yet is still using KODI with 3rd party add ons how do we combat this? I mean Kodi seems like the issue is more they just don't want to deal with the influx of people here and association but are not so concerned with the actual sales? What should be done is this. Every box seller should have to donate 10% of gross profits back to kodi foundation. Can you imagine the influx of cash here and how much that could help? I honestly wish i could donate because KODI is awesome. I use to have to rip my dvds so my daughter wouldnt scratch them and then use handbrake to shrink them. then put it in some app and have to find the DVD covers and put those in and it didn't always play well and then the apple tv 2 came along which worked ok with some stuff then KODI well XBMC and it changed my world forever and i still use it for all my digital media. And when i have extra i will donate. But i am very curious how this whole trademark thing comes into play with box sellers like some dragon box or something mentioned above? Because I'm totally confused. RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - Martijn - 2016-02-12 We don't want money from those leaches selling fully loaded stuff. Thanks you for willing to donate though people should only do so when they can spare a dime. I'd we were in it for the money we would have introduced something else that would revenue or started with ads. RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - Ned Scott - 2016-02-12 (2016-02-12, 22:22)ilovemymac Wrote: So if someone uses kodi on a box but doesn't use the name kodi or the logo in advertising yet is still using KODI with 3rd party add ons how do we combat this? I mean Kodi seems like the issue is more they just don't want to deal with the influx of people here and association but are not so concerned with the actual sales? The group still doesn't like it when third party add-ons are pre-installed, because that in itself gives the false impression that Kodi comes with those add-ons, they're official somehow, etc. However, I think the basic gist of what you're asking is; can someone still make money off of "free TV" boxes without hurting the Kodi brand? Yes. That's the really funny thing about all of this, because it's a situation where everyone can win. Look at how fast these guys started using the name Kodi when XBMC first changed the name? They don't need the name to sell their box. Some of them think so, but the people buying it for the free TV stuff don't care how they get the content. Playing devil's advocate, I actually think it's rather limiting to market a box as only for Kodi. RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - PixelJunkie77 - 2016-02-12 (2016-02-12, 22:20)Ned Scott Wrote:(2016-02-12, 22:04)PixelJunkie77 Wrote: Does the Kodi team own the trademark of the name Kodi in the UK? Good to know thanks. P.S. I feel I maybe im coming across negatively to the kodi team. I just want to say I fully agree with your stance towards 3rd party addons, and that you want no connection with the so called illegal ones. I just dont like seeing you go after the little guy i.e the end user, youtubers and social media. As declared in the OP RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - TVTips - 2016-02-12 Selling "fully loaded boxes" is just stupid as in my opinion that is why Kodi is getting such a bad name and I am dead against it. I personally believe that users like myself that run a blog, and advertise 3rd Party Addons with Piracy and Without should not have any problems, yes I have Kodi in the domain but also say on my site. "This site a Unofficial to Kodi/XBMC Foundation and have nothing to do with them. 3RD Party Addons can be illegal in your country and have nothing to do with Kodi/XBMC Foundation" "If you need any help with any 3rd Party Addons, you will only be able to find this answer you are looking for by search for the developer of that Addon and NOT Kodi/XBMC Foundation." RE: Call to Arms: Combatting Trademark Infringement - Big Aero - 2016-02-12 Wait, so this Kodi is only a registered trademark in the US? If that's so, then surely a handful of these sites who maybe based in Europe are not violating your trademark since it doesn't exist in Europe? Snippet from the internet. "Does a U.S. trademark registration protect a trademark in a foreign country? No, a U.S. trademark registration will not protect your trademark in a foreign country. Trademarks are territorial and must be filed in each country where protection is sought." Here's some info from the UK goverment Intellectual property (IP) rights are territorial. They only give protection in the countries where they are granted or registered. This means that if you only have UK protection, others may be allowed to use your IP abroad without infringing your rights. |