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RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wrxtasy - 2018-05-01
(2018-05-01, 02:55)hdmkv Wrote: Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).Slight correction - if you do not need Atmos & DTS:X passthrough audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).
Losless 7.1 LPCM audio is fine for most users.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - ROMERO91 - 2018-05-01
(2018-05-01, 02:44)wrxtasy Wrote:(2018-05-01, 01:42)ROMERO91 Wrote: okay! Why is it not ideal to use the Plex addon in Kodi with Zidoo? Then, If I want to play my local videos stored on a NAS with the highest possible quality, I Will use ZDMC with SMB protocol or how? Thank you!!On the Zidoo X9S you cannot just install Kodi from the Google Playstore and get HD audio, 4K HDR, deinterlacing and everything else working properly, because the Chipset used in the device has no Firmware support for Kodi's hardware acceleration - Mediacodec - to give you such features. I believe there is no IEC61937 audio support in Firmware either for native HD Kodi Audio.
So the external - NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App has to be called from within Kodi (or ZDMC in the X9S case) to provide such HD audio, 4K HDR & deinterlacing etc support. This is where life starts getting complicated if you get too demanding with this dual ZDMC / Zidoo Player software approach...
Such as trying to use 4K HDR Plex which would need direct play support. So now you have three things in the mix. ZDMC (Kodi), Plex and the NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App. What could go possibly go wrong ?
Are you sure you know what you are getting into ?
This ZDMC (Kodi), external Ziddoo Player software approach is NOT the ideal way to run Kodi at all - it simply adds an unnecessary layer of extra complication if all you want is a pure Kodi experience. Big TIP - keep it simple.
It is also why 4K HDR, HD Audio boxes like the AMLogic S905X, S912 are popular because they are optimised from the ground up to run Kodi as bug free as possible without extra, un-neccessary complications like external software players or the Android Operating System overheads.
Quote:Agree w/@wrxtasy in that if you want auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching but don't need 3D MVC support, LibreELEC (or now CoreELEC) may be the better way to go. But, this depends on what 4K display you have. If you have a 4K projector like me w/only 4:2:2 support, then for now, neither LE nor CE are viable options.
Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).
I do not need Kodi or Plex, I asked if they are compatible with Zidoo these Apps (kodi, Plex) for knowing .. Because with the native App of Zidoo "home teather" or ZDMC I can connect to my NAS and see everything the same, right?, benefiting: auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching.
I have decided to buy Zidoo beacuse the RTD chipset gives better image quality than the AMLogic 905D for example.
And another thing... Ziddoo have issues with 10bit HDR content with Banding? (http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/why-4k-hdr-content-shows-much-more-bandings-on-x9s-than-on-suamsang-ks8800.8366/)
I thinking buy the new Dune 4K Pro (with auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching too) and the mark is first level in image also, no?
Once again, thank you both for solving my doubts
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - riddle - 2018-05-01
Hi, i have ZIDOO x9S and i dont see no banding at all...
I realy love this player, his picture qiality compare to others are amazing.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - hdmkv - 2018-05-01
No banding here either with Epson 5040UB PJ. @wesk05 spoke to banding specific to certain Samsung 4K TVs with certain colorspace settings. I don’t recall recall details.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - mirror88 - 2018-05-03
(2018-02-01, 07:43)wesk05 Wrote:Thanks for your feedback. We solved 23.976 refresh rate offsets issue(2018-02-01, 02:20)lionne Wrote: Thank you for explaining this. I wasn't aware the refresh rate issue only affects 2160p in 4:4:4 mode, or that it was different depending on deep color settings. I don't have any native 2160p motion bars for testing, but I guess I can just upscale my 1080p motion bars. I'll check tonight and see if I can spot the stutter.
So then the pop-up says it is correctly switching to 2160p/23.976 or 2160p/24.000, but in reality it's actually outputting 23.982/23.988? Yikes, if that's the case, are we sure it's sending the proper framerates for all the other framerates at different resolutions? How, for example, would I know it's correctly sending out 59.940 or 60.000, for example, or that it's converting 25.000/50.000 to 60.000 properly with various settings selected? Doesn't this call into question all other refresh rates too? What could cause it to have an issue specifically with 23.976 but only at 2160p with deep color enabled?
It sounds like this is an issue that they definitely need to fix ASAP.
Until I checked for it specifically, I wasn't also aware that it affected only 2160p. You should be OK to use your 1080p test pattern and output it at 2160p. You will have to disable the adjust resolution option in settings.
23.982 and 23.988 are the actual refresh rates for 2160p 23.976fps content when the output is set to 12 or 10-bit YCbCr 4:4:4 resp. Other frame rates are not affected. 24.000/25.000/30.000/50.000/60.000 are perfect. 29.970/59.940 have minor offsets but I wouldn't worry about it.
It is likely to be some minor error (? typo) in the HDMI transmitter code that is causing this. Zidoo should be able to fix it quickly.
It will be include the next firmware.
Also solved the "COCO" audio drops issue and "Thor: Ragnarok" 1:55 exit playback issue.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wesk05 - 2018-05-03
(2018-05-03, 09:06)mirror88 Wrote: Thanks for your feedback. We solved 23.976 refresh rate offsets issueGood to know! Will check and report after the new firmware is released.
It will be include the next firmware.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wesk05 - 2018-05-03
(2018-05-01, 22:40)hdmkv Wrote: No banding here either with Epson 5040UB PJ. @wesk05 spoke to banding specific to certain Samsung 4K TVs with certain colorspace settings. I don’t recall recall details.I also don't recall now
Will have to check my earlier post or notes.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - [email protected] - 2018-05-05
(2018-05-01, 22:40)hdmkv Wrote: No banding here either with Epson 5040UB PJ. @wesk05 spoke to banding specific to certain Samsung 4K TVs with certain colorspace settings. I don’t recall recall details.@hdmkv I am sorry to contact via this method, but I really don't know how to contact u, just want to ask u whether you have some interest in our next generation TV box-* no direct advertisments please *. if you have some interest, please let me know
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - noggin - 2018-05-05
(2018-05-01, 03:34)wrxtasy Wrote:(2018-05-01, 02:55)hdmkv Wrote: Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).Slight correction - if you do not need Atmos & DTS:X passthrough audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).
Losless 7.1 LPCM audio is fine for most users.
What PCM output formats does the ATV4K support? Does it handle >16 bit depth and >48KHz sampling rates?
Not all PCM outputs are equal. (For instance the Raspberry Pi is limited to max 4.0 output at 192kHz 24 bit, but does 7.1 for 96kHz 24 bit and below ISTR)
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - hdmkv - 2018-05-05
(2018-05-05, 12:04)[email protected] Wrote:You can send a private message. Thanks for the offer, but not really interested.(2018-05-01, 22:40)hdmkv Wrote: No banding here either with Epson 5040UB PJ. @wesk05 spoke to banding specific to certain Samsung 4K TVs with certain colorspace settings. I don’t recall recall details.@hdmkv I am sorry to contact via this method, but I really don't know how to contact u, just want to ask u whether you have some interest in our next generation TV box-* no direct advertisments please *. if you have some interest, please let me know
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - [email protected] - 2018-05-06
(2018-05-05, 16:40)hdmkv Wrote:@hdmkv Sorry I don't have the permission to send a private message, you can check our product first * no direct advertisments please *(2018-05-05, 12:04)[email protected] Wrote:You can send a private message. Thanks for the offer, but not really interested.(2018-05-01, 22:40)hdmkv Wrote: No banding here either with Epson 5040UB PJ. @wesk05 spoke to banding specific to certain Samsung 4K TVs with certain colorspace settings. I don’t recall recall details.@hdmkv I am sorry to contact via this method, but I really don't know how to contact u, just want to ask u whether you have some interest in our next generation TV box- Abox google Tv box. if you have some interest, please let me know
you can contact me via my email
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - jarosujo - 2018-05-06
Hello,
I am looking for new media player to replace my current med8erer 600. Reason is no h265 playback. I have mostly 1080p mkv content and 7.1 speakers setup.
What is a must:
1. Perfect framerate switching (23.976...)
2. Perfect dts/dd/dts-hd/dd truehd passthrough to my receiver.
3. H265 playback
Also Twitch playback of 1080p/60fps would be nice, as my current android tv can't play it smoothly.
According to hardware section of this forum, Zidoo x9s should meet my criteria perfectly, just not sure about Twitch. I am also thinking about Beebox-s 7200(kaby lake i5), but that one is almost 3x more expensive.
Do you think I should get Zidoo or go safer route with Beebox ? Any Zidoo owner could please check Twitch 1080/60 playback ?
Thank you.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - hdmkv - 2018-05-06
I came from Mede8er myself, but that's primarily because I needed to retain 3D. Twitch TV appears to have an official Android TV app, but no idea if it does 1080p/60. You can ask in nVidia's forum. If so, nVidia Shield would satisfy your requirements.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wesk05 - 2018-05-06
(2018-05-06, 16:06)jarosujo Wrote: Any Zidoo owner could please check Twitch 1080/60 playback ?I can see 1080p60 (Source) under quality settings. It looks like 1080p, but will have to check logs to confirm it.
RE: Zidoo X9S, X8 & X10 (4K / HDR / 3D / HD Audio): Review & User Impressions - wesk05 - 2018-05-07
(2018-05-05, 12:37)noggin Wrote:ATV 4K only outputs 24-bit 48kHz (up to 8 channels). Higher sample rate content is downsampled, not sure what it does with 16-bit content. Likely just zero padded to 24-bit.(2018-05-01, 03:34)wrxtasy Wrote:(2018-05-01, 02:55)hdmkv Wrote: Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).Slight correction - if you do not need Atmos & DTS:X passthrough audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).
Losless 7.1 LPCM audio is fine for most users.
What PCM output formats does the ATV4K support? Does it handle >16 bit depth and >48KHz sampling rates?
Not all PCM outputs are equal. (For instance the Raspberry Pi is limited to max 4.0 output at 192kHz 24 bit, but does 7.1 for 96kHz 24 bit and below ISTR)