(2018-05-01, 10:55)ROMERO91 Wrote: I have decided to buy Zidoo beacuse the RTD chipset gives better image quality than the AMLogic 905D for example.

(2018-05-01, 10:55)ROMERO91 Wrote:

(2018-05-01, 02:44)wrxtasy Wrote:

(2018-05-01, 01:42)ROMERO91 Wrote: okay! Why is it not ideal to use the Plex addon in Kodi with Zidoo? Then, If I want to play my local videos stored on a NAS with the highest possible quality, I Will use ZDMC with SMB protocol or how? Thank you!!

On the Zidoo X9S you cannot just install Kodi from the Google Playstore and get HD audio, 4K HDR, deinterlacing and everything else working properly, because the Chipset used in the device has no Firmware support for Kodi's hardware acceleration - Mediacodec - to give you such features. I believe there is no IEC61937 audio support in Firmware either for native HD Kodi Audio.

So the external - NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App has to be called from within Kodi (or ZDMC in the X9S case) to provide such HD audio, 4K HDR & deinterlacing etc support. This is where life starts getting complicated if you get too demanding with this dual ZDMC / Zidoo Player software approach...

Such as trying to use 4K HDR Plex which would need direct play support. So now you have three things in the mix. ZDMC (Kodi), Plex and the NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App. What could go possibly go wrong ?

Are you sure you know what you are getting into ?
This ZDMC (Kodi), external Ziddoo Player software approach is NOT the ideal way to run Kodi at all - it simply adds an unnecessary layer of extra complication if all you want is a pure Kodi experience. Big TIP - keep it simple.

It is also why 4K HDR, HD Audio boxes like the AMLogic S905X, S912 are popular because they are optimised from the ground up to run Kodi as bug free as possible without extra, un-neccessary complications like external software players or the Android Operating System overheads.   

Quote:Agree w/@wrxtasy in that if you want auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching but don't need 3D MVC support, LibreELEC (or now CoreELEC) may be the better way to go. But, this depends on what 4K display you have. If you have a 4K projector like me w/only 4:2:2 support, then for now, neither LE nor CE are viable options.

Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).

I do not need Kodi or Plex, I asked if they are compatible with Zidoo these Apps (kodi, Plex) for knowing .. Because with the native App of Zidoo "home teather" or ZDMC I can connect to my NAS and see everything the same, right?, benefiting: auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching.

I have decided to buy Zidoo beacuse the RTD chipset gives better image quality than the AMLogic 905D for example.

And another thing... Ziddoo have issues with 10bit HDR content with Banding? (http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/why-4k-hdr-content-shows-much-more-bandings-on-x9s-than-on-suamsang-ks8800.8366/)

I thinking buy the new Dune 4K Pro (with auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching too) and the mark is first level in image also, no?

Once again, thank you both for solving my doubts  

(2018-05-07, 15:11)riddle Wrote: Zidoo x9s HDMI in OPPO 203Zidoo x9s

(2018-05-07, 11:18)sergejskr Wrote:

(2018-05-01, 10:55)ROMERO91 Wrote:

(2018-05-01, 02:44)wrxtasy Wrote: On the Zidoo X9S you cannot just install Kodi from the Google Playstore and get HD audio, 4K HDR, deinterlacing and everything else working properly, because the Chipset used in the device has no Firmware support for Kodi's hardware acceleration - Mediacodec - to give you such features. I believe there is no IEC61937 audio support in Firmware either for native HD Kodi Audio.

So the external - NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App has to be called from within Kodi (or ZDMC in the X9S case) to provide such HD audio, 4K HDR & deinterlacing etc support. This is where life starts getting complicated if you get too demanding with this dual ZDMC / Zidoo Player software approach...

Such as trying to use 4K HDR Plex which would need direct play support. So now you have three things in the mix. ZDMC (Kodi), Plex and the NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App. What could go possibly go wrong ?

Are you sure you know what you are getting into ?
This ZDMC (Kodi), external Ziddoo Player software approach is NOT the ideal way to run Kodi at all - it simply adds an unnecessary layer of extra complication if all you want is a pure Kodi experience. Big TIP - keep it simple.

It is also why 4K HDR, HD Audio boxes like the AMLogic S905X, S912 are popular because they are optimised from the ground up to run Kodi as bug free as possible without extra, un-neccessary complications like external software players or the Android Operating System overheads.   

Quote:Agree w/@wrxtasy in that if you want auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching but don't need 3D MVC support, LibreELEC (or now CoreELEC) may be the better way to go. But, this depends on what 4K display you have. If you have a 4K projector like me w/only 4:2:2 support, then for now, neither LE nor CE are viable options.

Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).

I do not need Kodi or Plex, I asked if they are compatible with Zidoo these Apps (kodi, Plex) for knowing .. Because with the native App of Zidoo "home teather" or ZDMC I can connect to my NAS and see everything the same, right?, benefiting: auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching.

I have decided to buy Zidoo beacuse the RTD chipset gives better image quality than the AMLogic 905D for example.

And another thing... Ziddoo have issues with 10bit HDR content with Banding? (http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/why-4k-hdr-content-shows-much-more-bandings-on-x9s-than-on-suamsang-ks8800.8366/)

I thinking buy the new Dune 4K Pro (with auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching too) and the mark is first level in image also, no?

Once again, thank you both for solving my doubts   

In regards to bandings, you need to be very careful on relying someone feedback about that, from my own experience and being a member of avsforum for 6 years, calibrating many projectors and learning the curve, I can tell you for sure 80% of users don't understand how to setup TV or a projector correctly regarding the colorspace. 
So I've tested Zidoo x9s with my SONY VML-VW760ES/VW885ES and there are no banding issues at all, so far the picture quality is absolutely the same as OPPO UDP-203 throws out, I didn't run specific tests yet like chroma sampling and other test patterns, but if you calibrate your unit correctly you shouldn't see the bandings. I'm pretty sure others people feedback about banding, was related to their PJ or TV settings not being able to provide good HDR along with BT2020 colorspace and HDR Gamma handling, that's why for instance you should use Tone Mapping as at the moment its best viewing experience than using native Gamma Handling of any Projector or a TV. Now there are many ways how you can achieve tone mapping, but I have Lumagen Pro 4444 and it does the job perfectly. Colours are superb, no bandings all details are present and its crispy as hell. 

(2018-05-08, 07:58)riddle Wrote: Its was some UHD mkv rip..

(2018-05-07, 11:18)sergejskr Wrote:

(2018-05-01, 10:55)ROMERO91 Wrote:

(2018-05-01, 02:44)wrxtasy Wrote: On the Zidoo X9S you cannot just install Kodi from the Google Playstore and get HD audio, 4K HDR, deinterlacing and everything else working properly, because the Chipset used in the device has no Firmware support for Kodi's hardware acceleration - Mediacodec - to give you such features. I believe there is no IEC61937 audio support in Firmware either for native HD Kodi Audio.

So the external - NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App has to be called from within Kodi (or ZDMC in the X9S case) to provide such HD audio, 4K HDR & deinterlacing etc support. This is where life starts getting complicated if you get too demanding with this dual ZDMC / Zidoo Player software approach...

Such as trying to use 4K HDR Plex which would need direct play support. So now you have three things in the mix. ZDMC (Kodi), Plex and the NATIVE Zidoo player (Realtek player) App. What could go possibly go wrong ?

Are you sure you know what you are getting into ?
This ZDMC (Kodi), external Ziddoo Player software approach is NOT the ideal way to run Kodi at all - it simply adds an unnecessary layer of extra complication if all you want is a pure Kodi experience. Big TIP - keep it simple.

It is also why 4K HDR, HD Audio boxes like the AMLogic S905X, S912 are popular because they are optimised from the ground up to run Kodi as bug free as possible without extra, un-neccessary complications like external software players or the Android Operating System overheads.   

Quote:Agree w/@wrxtasy in that if you want auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching but don't need 3D MVC support, LibreELEC (or now CoreELEC) may be the better way to go. But, this depends on what 4K display you have. If you have a 4K projector like me w/only 4:2:2 support, then for now, neither LE nor CE are viable options.

Also, if you don't need HD audio, consider Apple TV 4K with MrMC (Kodi fork).

I do not need Kodi or Plex, I asked if they are compatible with Zidoo these Apps (kodi, Plex) for knowing .. Because with the native App of Zidoo "home teather" or ZDMC I can connect to my NAS and see everything the same, right?, benefiting: auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching.

I have decided to buy Zidoo beacuse the RTD chipset gives better image quality than the AMLogic 905D for example.

And another thing... Ziddoo have issues with 10bit HDR content with Banding? (http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/why-4k-hdr-content-shows-much-more-bandings-on-x9s-than-on-suamsang-ks8800.8366/)

I thinking buy the new Dune 4K Pro (with auto refresh/resolution/colorspace switching too) and the mark is first level in image also, no?

Once again, thank you both for solving my doubts       

In regards to bandings, you need to be very careful on relying someone feedback about that, from my own experience and being a member of avsforum for 6 years, calibrating many projectors and learning the curve, I can tell you for sure 80% of users don't understand how to setup TV or a projector correctly regarding the colorspace. 
So I've tested Zidoo x9s with my SONY VML-VW760ES/VW885ES and there are no banding issues at all, so far the picture quality is absolutely the same as OPPO UDP-203 throws out, I didn't run specific tests yet like chroma sampling and other test patterns, but if you calibrate your unit correctly you shouldn't see the bandings. I'm pretty sure others people feedback about banding, was related to their PJ or TV settings not being able to provide good HDR along with BT2020 colorspace and HDR Gamma handling, that's why for instance you should use Tone Mapping as at the moment its best viewing experience than using native Gamma Handling of any Projector or a TV. Now there are many ways how you can achieve tone mapping, but I have Lumagen Pro 4444 and it does the job perfectly. Colours are superb, no bandings all details are present and its crispy as hell.     

(2018-05-03, 09:06)mirror88 Wrote:

(2018-02-01, 07:43)wesk05 Wrote:

(2018-02-01, 02:20)lionne Wrote: Thank you for explaining this. I wasn't aware the refresh rate issue only affects 2160p in 4:4:4 mode, or that it was different depending on deep color settings. I don't have any native 2160p motion bars for testing, but I guess I can just upscale my 1080p motion bars. I'll check tonight and see if I can spot the stutter.

So then the pop-up says it is correctly switching to 2160p/23.976 or 2160p/24.000, but in reality it's actually outputting 23.982/23.988? Yikes, if that's the case, are we sure it's sending the proper framerates for all the other framerates at different resolutions? How, for example, would I know it's correctly sending out 59.940 or 60.000, for example, or that it's converting 25.000/50.000 to 60.000 properly with various settings selected? Doesn't this call into question all other refresh rates too? What could cause it to have an issue specifically with 23.976 but only at 2160p with deep color enabled?

It sounds like this is an issue that they definitely need to fix ASAP. 

Until I checked for it specifically, I wasn't also aware that it affected only 2160p. You should be OK to use your 1080p test pattern and output it at 2160p. You will have to disable the adjust resolution option in settings.

23.982 and 23.988 are the actual refresh rates for 2160p 23.976fps content when the output is set to 12 or 10-bit YCbCr 4:4:4 resp. Other frame rates are not affected. 24.000/25.000/30.000/50.000/60.000 are perfect. 29.970/59.940 have minor offsets but I wouldn't worry about it.

It is likely to be some minor error (? typo) in the HDMI transmitter code that is causing this. Zidoo should be able to fix it quickly.     

Thanks for your feedback. We solved 23.976 refresh rate offsets issue
It will be include the next firmware.   

(2018-05-08, 13:30)lionne Wrote: As I described in my banding tests here a while back, the test file I have been using:
The World In HDR 4K Demo.mkvhttp://4kmedia.org/the-world-in-hdr-uhd-4k-demo/produced minimal banding when played directly though my TV using the TV's USB 3 input port. I use this file because it has serious banding issues and makes a great test file for banding. On the Zidoo, it suffers from severe banding in some modes, but some modes show minimal banding, exactly as my TV looks when playing it directly using its own media player. So it's not my TV - the Zidoo has banding issues in some modes.

As you can see, some modes show minimal/no banding, so my TV is certainly capable of displaying even problematic files with minimal banding, if sent the right signal.