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RE: 24p and audio sync issues - gotjazz84 - 2014-05-23 hrm disbling vsync and choosing software rendering as mentioned before here also help a little but I'm too paranoid atm - can't help alsways triple-checking if everything is in sync edit: is it me or is there less lag in plex home theater although that's technically just an xbmc fork? Anyway - since it misses a lot of xbmc features and plug-ins I guess I'll forgo 24p output for the time being and let the pc convert everything to 60hz. Not the ideal solution but I guess I can live with it.... I'd miss xbmc too much otherwise RE: 24p and audio sync issues - ringgh0st - 2014-05-24 (2014-05-23, 16:00)belongamick Wrote: Just in case this fixes the issue for anyone else. but i remember: if you sync to audio clock you loose digital audio (DTS) because the software reencode the audio stream. or is this fixed? RE: 24p and audio sync issues - dustobub - 2014-05-25 (2014-05-11, 21:29)FernetMenta Wrote: could you try this build and post log: http://mirrors.xbmc.org/test-builds/win32/XBMCSetup-20140510-20c1fe5-win32.exe I gave this a shot with the Disney Wow calibration disc (good resource for AV sync testing) and was not able to detect any difference from a vanilla Gotham build. My setup requires about 125ms delay when displaying at 24hz (xbmc adjusting display). FernetMenta, did this build contain a possible fix, or just instrumentation for logging? Happy to do some more testing. Having a calibration video makes it a lot easier than staring at people speaking. -Dustin RE: 24p and audio sync issues - relayer35 - 2014-05-25 (2014-05-23, 16:00)belongamick Wrote: Just in case this fixes the issue for anyone else. Odd. I have the same graphics card, and 13 introduced sync problems on 24 fps material for me. Detailed here at http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=195453. I found a partial solution, but haven't had a real chance to test it while watching something straight through. I'm sticking with Frodo for now unfortunately. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - FernetMenta - 2014-05-25 (2014-05-25, 02:28)dustobub Wrote: I gave this a shot with the Disney Wow calibration disc (good resource for AV sync testing) and was not able to detect any difference from a vanilla Gotham build. My setup requires about 125ms delay when displaying at 24hz (xbmc adjusting display). There are several reasons for a/v desync related to audio latency. This value may be wrong for some reason: 1) AVR or TV have not reported the actual value back to the PC 2) The video/audio driver does not read the value passed in extended EDID 3) The value changed due to switch of refresh rate Most systems struggle with 2) and can be cured with an entry in advanced settings. The mentioned build would fix 3). Would you have a debug log? RE: 24p and audio sync issues - ErlendSB - 2014-05-25 Setting/increasing "pause during refresh rate change" to 0.7 seconds was a gamechanger for me. I used to get different delays with different material (all 24hz). Mostly my global delay of 285ms was perfect, but sometimes I needed to add an additional delay of 285ms, leading me to think that the global delay was infact not active. By allowing time for the refresh rate change to take effect, this is now working for me. The magic pause number will vary for different setups and material, but I suggest you give it try. Good luck. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - relayer35 - 2014-05-25 That pause has made mine much better, but the videos will still go out of sync if I do a small jump or a pause. That's why I said it was partially fixed. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - _Shorty - 2014-05-25 I've always used a refresh rate change delay of 2.0 seconds because it seems to take a little less than that for my TV to change and start displaying the picture again. I could certainly try raising that just to see what happens, but I kind of doubt it's going to make any difference. Simple thing to try, though, that's for sure. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - Piers - 2014-05-26 Odd, since Gotham I've found A/V sync and 24p/29.9 content to be smooth and without dropped audio. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - _Shorty - 2014-05-28 Yeah, changing the delay for the refresh rate change made no difference. Not surprised, as I couldn't really see why it would make any difference. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - Shine - 2014-05-28 Although I have no time atm for any testing or debug logs, I'd like to add my findings here for reference. I hope this is useful to anyone. A/V desync appears to be different from file to file, with more similarities between files of the same container. Independent of the file type, the A/V offset changes (it usually gets "better", ie. more similar between different files) when rewinding or fast forwarding by a few seconds after playback starts. Examples:
I don't see any temporal a/v sync fluctuations, though. As for environment and settings, here are mine:
RE: 24p and audio sync issues - FernetMenta - 2014-05-28 Do you see any a/v error or video sync error indicated on the codec screen (o-key) ? RE: 24p and audio sync issues - Karnis - 2014-06-01 This has been driving me nuts from day one of XBMC, starting with Frodo & continuing thru Gotham 13.0. After a lot of experimentation, I finally found a combo that seems to work for blu ray MKV 24p playback & I'd thought I'd pass it on. Windows 7, Intel HD graphics 9.17.10.2932, HDMI out to Denon 3310 receiver, Sharp 1080p 70" Display resolution is set to 1920x1080, 59.97 Hz Make sure you are NOT using a Windows AERO theme desktop. XBMC settings: Vertical sync =off Use windowed fullscreen instead of true fullscreen audio set up: audio output device = direct sound HDMI wasapi HDMI passthru video playback settings: adjust display to match video refresh rate= on stop /start, delay = 3 seconds (this is because it takes my display a few seconds to display after a resolution/ refresh rate change) sync playback to display=on sync method= audio clock render method= dxva, hardware accelerated Smooth playback on 24p material, 0% errors after about 10 seconds or so of playback, on True HD or DTS master audio HD soundracks. Vertical sync= on also produces smooth playback with good audio sync during movie & after chapter changes. In both instances, audio errors zero out in about 8-10 seconds & maintain a solid zero. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- True fullscreen, vertical sync =on, temporal audio sync issues in True HD, waaaayy off with DTS MA, both on start up & chapter changes. True fullscreen, vertical sync = off, smooth playback but audio takes longer to lock in on start up & after chapter change, both audio formats. Doesn't seem as locked in to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If an AERO desktop is used, that's when things go wacky. Same windowed settings as above, playing a DTS MA movie like ALIENS, frame rate is reduced drastically. Same reults with True HD like Dark Knight. Enabling vertical sync yields same results with True HD or DTS MA. Using True fullscreen, vertical sync on, True HD & DTS MA both lose sync after chapter change, major errors True fullscreen, vertical sync off= stuttering playback, audio errors jumping around with True HD. loss of audio sync after chapter changes using DTS MA. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In summary, on my system, I get the best results playing in a fullscreen window as opposed to true fullscreen, and Windows AERO desktop should be avoided. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - Shine - 2014-06-01 (2014-05-28, 19:36)FernetMenta Wrote: Do you see any a/v error or video sync error indicated on the codec screen (o-key) ? No, sync adjusts to 0% a few seconds into playback or after seeking, no missed vblanks, nothing else appears suspicious either. It looks like everything's OK, but the audio is off by a random amount as described above. RE: 24p and audio sync issues - justwood - 2014-06-05 (2014-06-01, 08:20)Karnis Wrote: This has been driving me nuts from day one of XBMC, starting with Frodo & continuing thru Gotham 13.0. After a lot of experimentation, I finally found a combo that seems to work for blu ray MKV 24p playback & I'd thought I'd pass it on. Sticky this post. These settings worked great with my HD 4000. No global lipsync delay needed. Final can enjoy 24p with XBMC. |