Jittery Video?

Jittery Video?

mdaria510
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mdaria510
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2008-10-07, 05:35

I was hoping the new beta 2 would fix the problem, but its still evident.

The issue being that the video does not play at an even rate, there is a very slight jitter in the video. It would mostly noticeable during pans for most people. However, the TV I have my HTPC hooked up to is one of those newfangled 120hz sets that can interpolate the image to look super smooth. It only works properly for movies when the output is a clean 24fps - a single dropped or delayed frame here or there screws it up.

When playing the same videos in Vista Media Center, Mediaportal or Media Player (DVDs, .mkvs, .wmvs, etc), they play back in sync, and the 120hz interpolation will lock in. Any video in XBMC is a no go for that. I've tried just about every setting imaginable that might have an effect on it and it seems like its just an internal issue.

To be clear, these arent frames being dropped. Pressing O to bring up the stats will not show dropped frames, and the CPU usage is no higher than 40%, even on HD videos. The a/v quickly fluctuates between 0.000 and 0.040 or so.

Setup:

Intel Pentium Dual Core 2.0ghz
Nvidia 8400 GS
2gb RAM
Vista Home Basic

Any ideas?

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Jittery Video? - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-07, 05:35

[No subject] - by ashlar - 2008-10-07, 09:22

[No subject] - by harlekin - 2008-10-07, 09:37

[No subject] - by Jezz_X - 2008-10-07, 09:57

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[No subject] - by ashlar - 2008-10-07, 15:41

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[No subject] - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-07, 17:24

[No subject] - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-07, 17:35

[No subject] - by tslayer - 2008-10-07, 17:40

[No subject] - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-07, 18:13

[No subject] - by midgetspy - 2008-10-07, 18:20

[No subject] - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-07, 18:26

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[No subject] - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-10, 03:24

I can reproduce this - by tknice1 - 2008-10-10, 03:43

[No subject] - by mdaria510 - 2008-10-10, 05:30

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[No subject] - by RickDeckard - 2008-10-21, 13:42

[No subject] - by swoop - 2008-10-21, 22:38

24hz playback - by HeavyMetaler - 2008-10-21, 23:34

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Important! - by ashlar - 2008-11-09, 13:14

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Jittery video - by atlanta - 2008-11-19, 22:02

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