[Skank]

Been reading, reading and re-reading the wiki about pvr, but still im not understanding it completely

In short, are we able to watch live tv with xbmc instead of using telenets own digicorder (settopbox)?

[margro]

Depends. I don't know the details about Telenet but if they are indeed using DVB-C and if they have unencrypted channels or if there a way to use your Telenet smartcard in a DVB-C tv card, then the answer is yes.

You might be able to find more about this on this forum: (Dutch) http://www.9lives.be/forum/hardware/6926...dvb-c.html

Note that XBMC is only a frontend. You still need a TV backend to actually use a DVB-C card. See the XBMC wiki for a list of backends with DVB-C support.

[JohanBoskamp]

It's possible for the unecrypted channels (Een HD, Canvas HD, Een+, Canvas+ and a few other channels) but for the encrypted channels (almost all of them) it's not possible.
The only way you can decrypt those channels are with the digicorde

[Skank]

So vtm , vt4, ka2 is unpossible? Damn!

[JohanBoskamp]

Yes untill Telenet decides to use an open system for the decryption so we can use other hardware. But no they obligate us to use (read buy/rent) that stupid, slow and not economic digibox/digicoder. You see telenet clients shouting for a change everywhere where they can, on their blog, YouTube channel and social media but they just ignore it.

This might change in the future since telenet has to set their cable network open for other providers... And some say they might review there closed PVR policy.

But ATM, the only way in Belgium to get the digital channels from vtm etc is with the satellite option TV-Vlaanderen.

Hope to have you informed from the old fashioned digital TV situation here in Belgium.

[pieterv]

But ATM, the only way in Belgium to get the digital channels from vtm etc is with the satellite option TV-Vlaanderen.

There are other ways

Right now I'm watching VTM, 2BE, Een Canvas etc.. with WeePeeTV (https://weepee.tv/home) in XBMC.
You will need an account (10 euro per month). At the moment I'm using mythtv as a backend, because they integrate HLS very well. 42wim has a script on his website to get the stream URLs: https://github.com/42wim/wptvscraper

I'm trying to get the streams to play directly in xbmc, without mythtv. This would be a far better solution. But atm I can't get the x264 HLS stream to play using the demo pvr...

[JohanBoskamp]

Indeed but if you already have telenet digital TV then you don't want to pay another 10 EUR. And another thing is that weepeetv doesn't send in HD yet...

But it seems like a very nice alternative. In the future they will broadcast in HD, I asked on twitter a few weeks ago. Also I hope they will add some more channels

[Skank]

Getting back to this...
Yesterday they announced a new party: Snow

Would i be able to use xbmc pvr with snow? without needing snow's digicorder?
Including ,ka2 , vtm, vt4....
In other words, will these be encrypted?

[ShinobiX9X]

I'd like to know how to get weepee tv in xbmc, to be honest i know nothing of pvr on pc.
a step by step tuto would be great for me
i have 1 xbmc on windows and 1 raspbmc (raspberry pi)

about snow, Snow is KPN, and on forums in the Netherlands i read that KPN is one of those that heavily encrypt, so i wouldn't be surprised they are here to.
i do have snow installed since yesterday, if anyone can point me out how to do it, i'll be happy to try it.

[Skank]

Dont think you can with snow..
Its still a no go here, xbmc with pvr in belgium

[Skank]

Some more info on the upcoming CI+ card
http://klantenservice.telenet.be/content...en-kaartje

Not sure if we are able then?

[smalle]

Hi guys.
Telenet launched this a few minutes ago http://blog.telenet.be/2013/06/tv-met-een-kaartje/
Maybe that would be an option to control it trough XMBC and make recordings...

edit: damn, didn't read your post skank :-)

[Skank]

This was posted on tweakers:


Telenet verkoopt CI+-modules vanaf 24 juni
Door Dimitri Reijerman, donderdag 13 juni 2013 13:16, views: 16.333 • Feedback
Submitter: Dima_2005

Telenet gaat vanaf 24 juni CI+-modules aanbieden. In combinatie met een smartcard is het volgens de kabelaar voortaan mogelijk om 75 digitale zenders te bekijken op een geschikt toestel, waardoor een losse settopbox niet langer nodig is.

De CI+-module krijgt een prijs van 69 euro. Omdat Telenet huurkosten voor zijn digicorders in rekening brengt, kan de CI+-module in acht maanden terugverdiend worden, zo schrijft Tik. In de module moet een Telenet-smartcard geplaatst worden, waarna deze in een CI+-compatibele televisie geschoven kan worden. Ook sommige tv-kaarten in pc's kunnen met de module overweg, evenals bepaalde settopboxen, zoals de Dreambox.

Hoewel de CI+-module, door Telenet aangeprezen met de slogan 'TV met een kaartje', een decoder overbodig maakt en de abonnee daarmee een vrijere hardwarekeuze krijgt, zijn er enkele beperkingen aan een CI+-module. Zo biedt de epg tot twee dagen vooruit aan programma-informatie. Ook zijn er geen interactieve mogelijkheden. Telenet heeft geen restricties aan de opnamemogelijkheden meegegeven, waardoor programma's van 75 tv-stations, inclusief hd-zenders, opgenomen kunnen worden op bijvoorbeeld een externe harddisk, mits de televisie dit ondersteunt.





So are we able to use it now.. In a htpc with xbmc?

[Skank]

Nobody knows?
Or anyone know a tvcard with CI+ slot?

[ShinobiX9X]

I read the ci+ will be limited to newet tv's, my panasonic is just ci, so that wouldn't work.
In Netherlands, (Ziggo) they use CI+, but would still work with alphacrypt cam (instead of the original one to put smartcard in.
Also a smartcard reader with softcam would work. But as i read it can stop working any time, and no idea if it will work Telenet.

I'll try to install a mythtv backend server, and get a weepee account to test if i can make that work.