2016-02-12, 23:19
You can still claim a trademark informally without official registration. That's what ™ means verses ®. Formal registration simply makes things easier to deal with but is not strictly required.
2016-02-12, 23:27
(2016-02-12, 22:29)Ned Scott Wrote:Your right gosh there are lots of legal apps now that can help you cut cable and you could use KODI for your media. Vidangel is a neat site that will sell you a movie at $20 then if you just what they call sell back the movie to them its only $1 as long as its within 24 hours. They have a editing program you can edit language or violence or nudity out of a movie.(2016-02-12, 22:22)ilovemymac Wrote: So if someone uses kodi on a box but doesn't use the name kodi or the logo in advertising yet is still using KODI with 3rd party add ons how do we combat this? I mean Kodi seems like the issue is more they just don't want to deal with the influx of people here and association but are not so concerned with the actual sales?
The group still doesn't like it when third party add-ons are pre-installed, because that in itself gives the false impression that Kodi comes with those add-ons, they're official somehow, etc. However, I think the basic gist of what you're asking is; can someone still make money off of "free TV" boxes without hurting the Kodi brand? Yes. That's the really funny thing about all of this, because it's a situation where everyone can win.
Look at how fast these guys started using the name Kodi when XBMC first changed the name? They don't need the name to sell their box. Some of them think so, but the people buying it for the free TV stuff don't care how they get the content.
Playing devil's advocate, I actually think it's rather limiting to market a box as only for Kodi.
I like this as some movies are great but just overboard on the language and or nudity. For cable cutters now there is Sling tv, there is HBO, CBS, Showtime and more. These boxes can even be used to do web surfing and more. I have wanted to do one for my grandparents because they have a huge library of old movies and they end up placing a dvd back in the wrong box and then they spend days looking for that movie again. Boom kodi solves that put it all on a drive. Then they can use the box to Skype with the great grandkids and even use netflix and such.
And your right no one needs the name kodi ti sell a box. In fact there was a company at our state fair last year some of my friends saw i didn't see first hand but the pics i was sent (they were laughing at the cost) they called it whatever the box brand was media center. Kodi was not mentioned no logos no anything.
Cant think of the name now but anyway its just proof people could do what they want and be happy and still keep KODI out of it.
Or use one of the forks that are out there as well.
2016-02-12, 23:32
(2016-02-12, 23:19)Ned Scott Wrote: You can still claim a trademark informally without official registration. That's what ™ means verses ®. Formal registration simply makes things easier to deal with but is not strictly required.
Say for example, someone in Europe decided tomorrow that they wanted to develope a similar media player, also named Kodi. They then went ahead and applied for a official trademark registration in Europe (before you officially did), they would then own that trademark in Europe.
Quite scary if you think about it......
Officially on paper, there is no trademark registration for Kodi (media player) in Europe, well at least the UK.
2016-02-12, 23:43
With respect to xbmc / kodi and respect to kodi.tv forum!
I only admin a few Facebook groups, helping others get the best kodi experience. All free!
I do not sell anything. Period.
I will continue to use the word "kodi" in the title of my groups. Respectfully!
I do not like samtheman1337. That's my right to like or dislike someone.
I love kodi, respect the devs, and all involved with kodi.
I donate to kodi.
I will always support kodi. Guys really, thank you for all you do. Especially the time put in. Peace
Bri Smith
I only admin a few Facebook groups, helping others get the best kodi experience. All free!
I do not sell anything. Period.
I will continue to use the word "kodi" in the title of my groups. Respectfully!
I do not like samtheman1337. That's my right to like or dislike someone.
I love kodi, respect the devs, and all involved with kodi.
I donate to kodi.
I will always support kodi. Guys really, thank you for all you do. Especially the time put in. Peace
Bri Smith
2016-02-13, 01:04
(2016-02-12, 23:43)paintthetown Wrote: With respect to xbmc / kodi and respect to kodi.tv forum!
I only admin a few Facebook groups, helping others get the best kodi experience. All free!
I do not sell anything. Period.
I will continue to use the word "kodi" in the title of my groups. Respectfully!
I do not like samtheman1337. That's my right to like or dislike someone.
I love kodi, respect the devs, and all involved with kodi.
I donate to kodi.
I will always support kodi. Guys really, thank you for all you do. Especially the time put in. Peace
Bri Smith
Your intentions can be good and it can still cause harm. This isn't limited to people trying to make money. In many cases the Foundation doesn't even have a choice, because US trademark laws say you have to do what you can to defend your trademark, or you lose it.
The same thing happened with another company that asked the group to change their name away from XBMC. They weren't mean about it, and they probably didn't want to go after anyone, but that was the law. Since they felt there was a chance for confusion, they had to act, and so XBMC became Kodi.
If you want to be respectful then please understand the position that the Kodi guys are in. If you are using Kodi in the name of some Facebook groups, and the Kodi group thinks it could be reasonably confusing, then they'll file a report with Facebook. And if Facebook agrees with the Kodi group, please don't be mad.
2016-02-13, 01:33
(2016-02-12, 23:32)Big Aero Wrote:(2016-02-12, 23:19)Ned Scott Wrote: You can still claim a trademark informally without official registration. That's what ™ means verses ®. Formal registration simply makes things easier to deal with but is not strictly required.
Say for example, someone in Europe decided tomorrow that they wanted to develope a similar media player, also named Kodi. They then went ahead and applied for a official trademark registration in Europe (before you officially did), they would then own that trademark in Europe.
Quite scary if you think about it......
Officially on paper, there is no trademark registration for Kodi (media player) in Europe, well at least the UK.
It's not as scary as you think. If it's clear the person registered the trademark to take over our work, it would be considered registering in bad faith, and they could easily get the trademark stripped.
2016-02-13, 01:46
Woah this thread went crazy! It was not my intention to turn it into a circus of hate. I would like to add that I am a TVADDONS user and feel that if someone is going to be the "official unofficial" site it should be them. This site is far less damaging to the Kodi trademark than a site that uses the actual word KODI in their domain name.
2016-02-13, 01:52
(2016-02-13, 01:46)samtheman1337 Wrote: Woah this thread went crazy! It was not my intention to turn it into a circus of hate. I would like to add that I am a TVADDONS user and feel that if someone is going to be the "official unofficial" site it should be them. This site is far less damaging to the Kodi trademark than a site that uses the actual word KODI in their domain name.I am now laughing inanely behind my keyboard.
Edit: no, seriously, I really am.
2016-02-13, 03:00
Can I get a suggestion for a group name that won't offend "kodi"
We are a fan club of kodi. We discuss the ever changing kodi add-ons and or repositories.
It's a challenge to keep up.
My main group is called: kodiholics
Feedback is appreciated. I respect what you all do. I will replace the name if kodi Thinks I should.
Keeping the peace. ✌
We are a fan club of kodi. We discuss the ever changing kodi add-ons and or repositories.
It's a challenge to keep up.
My main group is called: kodiholics
Feedback is appreciated. I respect what you all do. I will replace the name if kodi Thinks I should.
Keeping the peace. ✌
2016-02-13, 03:37
Kodi began it's life as X Box Media Center. Combatting Trademark Infringement ?
2016-02-13, 06:57
KODI WOULDNT BE AS BIG AS IT IS IF IT WASNT FOR THOSE YOUTUBERS.....DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY I AGREE THEY NEED TO STOP USING THE KODI NAME BUT WITHOUT THEM NOBODY WOULD KNOW ABOUT KODI........I LIKE THE COMMENT ABOVE ME.......EVERYBODY HAS TO START SOMEWHERE
2016-02-13, 07:36
(2016-02-13, 03:37)tomb66 Wrote: Kodi began it's life as X Box Media Center. Combatting Trademark Infringement ?
That's why that name was never trademarked, and when the group looked into trademarking just the letters "XBMC" it resulted in a chain of events where it was decided to rename completely.
The project was originally named by the three founders over 14 years ago, and back when it was just a small side project, and those guys have all since retired. It was a mistake that has since been corrected. The Kodi project is not bound by every decision made 14 years ago.
2016-02-13, 07:50
(2016-02-13, 06:57)mossboss69 Wrote: KODI WOULDNT BE AS BIG AS IT IS IF IT WASNT FOR THOSE YOUTUBERS.....DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY I AGREE THEY NEED TO STOP USING THE KODI NAME BUT WITHOUT THEM NOBODY WOULD KNOW ABOUT KODI........I LIKE THE COMMENT ABOVE ME.......EVERYBODY HAS TO START SOMEWHERE
This post will probably be split off and trashed, as it should, but I'll humor you. The Kodi project does not desire popularity at any cost. They certainly do not want the attention and popularity that hucksters, I mean youtubers, like husham have brought. The Kodi project predates YouTube itself.
If our community was a half the size it is now then no one would be bothered by it. The majority of the new users are a bunch of fly-by-night casuals who don't care about the software and only want "free tv". Kodi is meant to be advanced software for home theater freaks. Asking the Kodi project to be thankful for those guys is laughable.
But that's besides the point. You've been lied to and told that the Kodi project is going after anyone who mentions Kodi. This is not true. Don't believe the garbage that people like husham say. He's either ignorant and doesn't understand the situation, or just looking to rile people up to protect his own monetary interests. You've been tricked into leaving a message here for nothing. I would be very pissed, if I were you.
2016-02-13, 10:07
with sponsors such as nvidia, weetek ect, kodi has to be seen to be actively against piracy addons and the likes but in truth its grown too fast in the past year or two that trying to shut everything that may be an infringement of sorts is near impossible, so disclaimers and things like that seem the only reasonable solution.
i can see in krypton you have to enable 3rd party sources and it comes with a warning, nothing much more you can do bar compleatly lock it down which goes against the whole open source ethos
i can see in krypton you have to enable 3rd party sources and it comes with a warning, nothing much more you can do bar compleatly lock it down which goes against the whole open source ethos
2016-02-13, 10:54
(2016-02-12, 19:33)MrMC Wrote: Interesting thread....
Totally agree.
Going after piracy addons without actually putting technical measures in place is, in someone else's words, "pissing in the wind"...
I have been quite unsuccessful in convincing the Team, though, but your respected expertise seems to have been heard better
