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(2017-04-14, 00:28)Matt Devo Wrote:
(2017-04-13, 22:48)Nekromantik Wrote: I cant install it on my NUC as its only got 32gb EEC and I need extra 8gb for the upgrade tool!
So annoying

wut? You can upgrade just fine, as long as the external media you're upgrading from has 10GB+ free space. Just download the ISO, throw it on a USB, then run the upgrade from there. I just did it on my 16GB Chromebook, which had ~4.5GB free on the internal eMMC.

I did not use external media. tried to do i using upgrade app from the NUC. Will try USB method.
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Hi, guys.
Just bought J3455, ran into hd audio problem too.
Didn't try the intel firmware update first due to download page says it's only for NUC Kit, big mistake!
Took me 3 hours trying other things and I went back to intel download page, wow! Everything(DTS-HD MA) works like a charm now(win 10).
Thx for sharing the fix!

Can anyone please confirm this also work with Atmos & DTSX as I don't have Atmos ready AVR(Win 10).

BTW, I suggest OP update the latest fix and progress at the beginning so people can save the trouble go through 75 pages.
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I can confirm that Atmos and DTSX works. ( on Win10 1703 )
I tried it this morning.
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(2017-04-16, 12:25)frank1064 Wrote: I can confirm that Atmos and DTSX works. ( on Win10 1703 )
I tried it this morning.

Thank you, it looks like audio-wise J3455 is safe.

Now the video part, is J3455 under Win10 meet all the requirements for UHD premium?
which are 4k, 60Hz, H265/HEVC, 10bit, HDR, BT2020(not sure latter two are base on encode only or both)
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(2017-04-16, 14:44)dumpling Wrote: which are 4k, 60Hz, H265/HEVC, 10bit, HDR, BT2020(not sure latter two are base on encode only or both)

AIUI you can have SDR BT.2020 video as well as HDR. There are multiple variations for HDR - some (Dolby Vision and HDR10) are Perceptual Quantiser based - using SMPTE ST2084 EOTF (which is separate to BT 2020), others are using Hybrid Log Gamma which uses a different standard. Both standards are ratified in BT.2100.

I'd look for BT 2020 and BT 2100 support to be future proof - though I have no idea if that's how support is reported.
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(2017-04-16, 15:06)noggin Wrote:
(2017-04-16, 14:44)dumpling Wrote: which are 4k, 60Hz, H265/HEVC, 10bit, HDR, BT2020(not sure latter two are base on encode only or both)

AIUI you can have SDR BT.2020 video as well as HDR. There are multiple variations for HDR - some (Dolby Vision and HDR10) are Perceptual Quantiser based - using SMPTE ST2084 EOTF (which is separate to BT 2020), others are using Hybrid Log Gamma which uses a different standard. Both standards are ratified in BT.2100.

I'd look for BT 2020 and BT 2100 support to be future proof - though I have no idea if that's how support is reported.

After some online research, If I'm not mistaken, HDR comes in two major formats on blu ray release. HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
HDR10 is software base decode while Dobly Vision is hardware base decode.

So J3455 can do HDR10 as many members including me already tested, I mean even though I don't have a HDR TV but as long as the file can playback normally without flicker or black screen I'm assuming it's HDR10 proof? Not sure about Dolby Vision.

What puzzles me is 10bit and BT2020. 10bit is color depth, BT2020 is color space? I never truly understand the difference.
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(2017-04-16, 15:24)dumpling Wrote:
(2017-04-16, 15:06)noggin Wrote:
(2017-04-16, 14:44)dumpling Wrote: which are 4k, 60Hz, H265/HEVC, 10bit, HDR, BT2020(not sure latter two are base on encode only or both)

AIUI you can have SDR BT.2020 video as well as HDR. There are multiple variations for HDR - some (Dolby Vision and HDR10) are Perceptual Quantiser based - using SMPTE ST2084 EOTF (which is separate to BT 2020), others are using Hybrid Log Gamma which uses a different standard. Both standards are ratified in BT.2100.

I'd look for BT 2020 and BT 2100 support to be future proof - though I have no idea if that's how support is reported.

After some online research, If I'm not mistaken, HDR comes in two major formats on blu ray release. HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
HDR10 is software base decode while Dobly Vision is hardware base decode.

Both can be implemented in software I believe - though Dolby licence their tech.

HLG isn't used for UHD Blu-ray, but is likely to be a leading contender for broadcast (the signal remains SDR compatible avoiding the need for separate SDR and HDR broadcasts), and also potentially for live streaming (there are fewer licensing issues AIUI)

Quote:So J3455 can do HDR10 as many members including me already tested, I mean even though I don't have a HDR TV but as long as the file can playback normally without flicker or black screen I'm assuming it's HDR10 proof? Not sure about Dolby Vision.

What puzzles me is 10bit and BT2020. 10bit is color depth, BT2020 is color space? I never truly understand the difference.

10 bit is the bit-depth of the luminance and colour difference signals (not quite the same as colour depth - but good enough for conceptualising). 10 bit has been pretty standard for SDR broadcast video even back to the SD days (though 8 bit processes also exist in some areas) - long before HDR was around.

BT 2020 is the colour-space typically used for UHD. HD typically uses BT.709 (though some UHD stuff is 709 not 2020), SD typically uses BT.601. These standards define things like the colours of the RGB primaries used, how the RGB signals are converted to YCbCr luminance and colour-difference signals etc., as well as gamma (I think)

BT 2100 defines Electro Optical Transfer Functions for HDR - i.e. the way the light output from the screen is mapped to the incoming video signal (it's not linear)

This is all broad brush stuff - but should help a bit?

HDR requires 10 or 12 bit video, but not all 10 or 12 bit video is HDR.

UHD can use BT2020 colour space, but not all UHD does. BT2020 can be used for both SDR and HDR video.
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I have to say that I haven't searched, do these Asrock motherboards have HDMI 2.0a port? You will need a HDMI 2.0a/b port for transmitting HDR10 InfoFrame.
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(2017-04-16, 19:24)wesk05 Wrote: I have to say that I haven't searched, do these Asrock motherboards have HDMI 2.0a port? You will need a HDMI 2.0a/b port for transmitting HDR10 InfoFrame.

They have HDMI 2.0 - haven't checked if it claims (a). The Intel CPU itself doesn't output HDMI 2 - just HDMI 1.4 and Displayport (1.2 I think). Any Kaby Lake or Apollo Lake board with HDMI 2.0/2.0a output will be doing it via DP 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 conversion chips - so I guess the question is whether they can generate HDMI 2.0a infoframes and how DP 1.2 carries the same data?
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(2017-04-16, 21:31)noggin Wrote: They have HDMI 2.0 - haven't checked if it claims (a). The Intel CPU itself doesn't output HDMI 2 - just HDMI 1.4 and Displayport (1.2 I think). Any Kaby Lake or Apollo Lake board with HDMI 2.0/2.0a output will be doing it via DP 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 conversion chips - so I guess the question is whether they can generate HDMI 2.0a infoframes and how DP 1.2 carries the same data?

How to verify the signal output contain infoframes or how to verify HDMI 2.0a?
Is there a test we can run?
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Following is the datasheet for Megachips. 28x0 is HDMI 2.0 and 2900 is 2.0a but in the 28x0 description says support HDR.

Anyone is tech savvy please confirm.
https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20She...asheet.pdf
https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20She...900_DS.pdf
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(2017-04-17, 01:32)dumpling Wrote: Following is the datasheet for Megachips. 28x0 is HDMI 2.0 and 2900 is 2.0a but in the 28x0 description says support HDR.
Anyone is tech savvy please confirm.
https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20She...asheet.pdf
https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20She...900_DS.pdf
From the datasheet for MCDP28x0: "CEA861-3 HDR and Mastering InfoFrame"
This means that it supports HDR10 InfoFrame.

The only way to confirm it is by checking with a HDMI protocol analyzer. You could also confirm it with a HDFury Integral/Linker. If you don't have any of them, the only way to check is with PowerDVD 17 on Windows 10 Creators Update. If a known HDR10 video clip triggers your TV to go into HDR mode, then you know that it is at least receiving the ST 2084 flag in HDMI InfoFrame.
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(2017-04-17, 03:31)wesk05 Wrote: From the datasheet for MCDP28x0: "CEA861-3 HDR and Mastering InfoFrame"
This means that it supports HDR10 InfoFrame.

The only way to confirm it is by checking with a HDMI protocol analyzer. You could also confirm it with a HDFury Integral/Linker. If you don't have any of them, the only way to check is with PowerDVD 17 on Windows 10 Creators Update. If a known HDR10 video clip triggers your TV to go into HDR mode, then you know that it is at least receiving the ST 2084 flag in HDMI InfoFrame.

So good news is MCDP28x0 is hardware capable but it needs to be verified in real world application.
I hope its HDR proof right away or we have to wait for firmware update to solve the problem like the HD audio issue.

I don't have any equipment or software to verify if Apollo Lake MB is HDR proof right now.
So anyone has J3455/4205 or Intel NUC with HDR TV available please verify(win10). Thanks.

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BTW, in the datasheet, it says stereoscopic 3d forwarding. What's that mean?
3D MVC content will be passthrough to TV? Sorry, I'm newbie to 3D
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(2017-04-13, 05:16)piotrasd Wrote: latest builds
http://piotrasd.libreelec.tv

LE8-HEVC10 - based on LE 8.0.1 with Kodi 17.2rc + HEVC support
LE9-KODI_AGILE - based on LE 9 with Kodi-agile fork with inputstream.adaptive for Netflix -

Thank you so much fpr your awsome builds!
Any chacne of getting pvr.dvbviewer or pvr.iptvsimple to work with your kodi-agile builds?
Unfortunately pvr.hts is not an option for me.

Thank you in advance
kafisc
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(2017-04-17, 07:10)dumpling Wrote: BTW, in the datasheet, it says stereoscopic 3d forwarding. What's that mean?
3D MVC content will be passthrough to TV? Sorry, I'm newbie to 3D

Suspect it means that Full HD 3D content, which would be carried in 1920x2205 Frame Packed mode over HDMI can be carried over DisplayLink (don't know if they use the same 1920x2205 format for DP) and then converted and output as 1920x2205 Frame Packed over HDMI? (Frame packing effectively sends the two eye feeds as consecutive 1920x1080 frames with 45 lines of blanking between them)

(MVC can't 'passthrough' - it's the compression scheme used by Blu-ray discs, not the video format carried over HDMI. MVC is the addition to H264 compression. One eye is encoded using regular 2D-compatible H264, the other eye is heavily compressed, with the secondary MVC signal allowing reconstruction of the second eye feed based on the compressed differences between the H264 'eye' and the second eye. This is much more efficient than compressing the two eyes entirely separately. Lots of people confuse MVC - which is the on-disc encoding/compression format used by Blu-ray - with 3D Frame Packing, which is the main standard used to carry 1920x1080 or 1280x720 Full resolution 3D eye feeds over HDMI connections.)
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