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Sigma developments?
#1
Hi team,

any news about the Sigma developments?

TIA
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#2
Sigma released a new device, called Popbox V8, and that GUI is totally written in Flash... So maybe they need more time?
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#3
They demo'd a partially working XBMC release at IBC this year, it's got more work needed on it, that's all I know.
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pooh Wrote:Hi team,

any news about the Sigma developments?

TIA

+1.

I have been wondering too..

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#5
We've been in touch, but there have been problems with their SDK that slowed things down.

We'll definitely make an announcement if/when XBMC on Sigma is a possibility.
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#6
Robotica Wrote:Sigma released a new device, called Popbox V8
PopBox v8 is made by Syabas, like all other Pop* boxes, they all however use SoC's that made by Sigma Designs Nerd
http://www.syabas.com
http://www.popbox.com
http://www.popcornhour.com

Sigma Designs does not not make complete boxes for end-consumers as far as I know
http://www.sigmadesigns.com

Dune HD, who also have SMP8671 SoC boxes, have announced a more interesting Dune HD Pro with SMP8910 SoC
http://dune-hd.com

You can compare this to CPU's by Intel and AMD, as they do not sell finished computers, only CPU's, SoC's, and GPU's

This page have info on current SoC's and gives some technical background to the history of media player chipsets
http://www.iboum.com/artkill/chipsets.php
Quote:Media Players all use a SoC (system on a chip) design whereby all hardware functions are contained within the chipset (video, sound, LAN, interface. etc). For this reason it is sensible to group players of similar chipset together as they will have the same raw performance. The differences come in firmware (software running on the chipset) although in practice firmware is often also very similar between players of the same chipset family (often being just a rebrand of the manufacturer's 'base' SDK version). This page lists all HD Media Player chipsets, grouped by manufacturer. A table allowing sorting by chronological order, clock Mhz. etc is at the end.
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#7
Your probably looking at the 8910 series as a candidate for Sigma's port of XBMC as it has an OpenGL ES capable GPU and a dual core CPU. The 8910 has been delayed to early next year according to rumours from HDI Dune.

The Popbox v8 is using the 8670 which does not have a GPU and is basically a slightly improved chipset over their current generation stuff. These use a flash based UI it's a step up from last gen but still no substitute for a GPU accelerated UI.

The lower end 8650 series does have a GPU but might not be fast enough for XBMC, there is only one player currently on the market with this chipset the Tvix XROID A1 which is an Android based media player.
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Starstream Wrote:Your probably looking at the 8910 series as a candidate for Sigma's port of XBMC as it has an OpenGL ES capable GPU and a dual core CPU. The 8910 has been delayed to early next year according to rumours from HDI Dune.

The Popbox v8 is using the 8670 which does not have a GPU and is basically a slightly improved chipset over their current generation stuff. These use a flash based UI it's a step up from last gen but still no substitute for a GPU accelerated UI.

The lower end 8650 series does have a GPU but might not be fast enough for XBMC, there is only one player currently on the market with this chipset the Tvix XROID A1 which is an Android based media player.
They said that XBMC would be ported to both SMP8656 and SMP8910 as reference hardware because those two SoC's both support OpenGL ES 2.0

http://xbmc.org/theuni/2011/01/12/more-about-sigma/

I guess that XBMC could from that port later with less work be made to work with any other Sigma Designs chipsets that supports OpenGL ES 2.0

The real question is then like you say if any other Sigma Designs OpenGL ES 2.0 capable SoC's will be powerful enough to run XBMC smoothly or not.

Well I guess most OpenGL ES 2.0 capable SoC's could probably run XBMC smoothly at 480p or 720p, but will it be worth it to port XBMC to any new device if it can not run XBMC at 1080p smoothly? Perhaps if it cost less Apple TV 2?
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#9
I certainly hope the cheaper 8656/8657 can run XBMC in the long run. Here's the PDF if you want to see all the specs of their upcoming chipsets.

I doubt the GPU equipped Sigma chipsets will cost the same as the ATV but they should hopefully be a lot better set top boxes given their features and Sigma has way better hardware video decoding support than ATV2.

In time they will likely come down in price, look at the latest gen of the WDTV Live, which is a more capable box than ATV2 for media playback at the same price.
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Starstream Wrote:I certainly hope the cheaper 8656/8657 can run XBMC in the long run. Here's the PDF if you want to see all the specs of their upcoming chipsets.

I doubt the GPU equipped Sigma chipsets will cost the same as the ATV but they should hopefully be a lot better set top boxes given their features and Sigma has way better hardware video decoding support than ATV2.

In time they will likely come down in price, look at the latest gen of the WDTV Live, which is a more capable box than ATV2 for media playback at the same price.

The ATV2's hardware is not the problem as much as it is the documentation on the hardware. The hardware decoder is the same found on other products and can handle a lot of codecs, but no one knows (outside of Apple) how to access those parts of the hardware decoder in the ATV2.
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#11
I have still concerns with the cooperation with Sigma. I my experience they take everything and they give nothing in return. I signed an NDA with Sigma for a Jukebox development for the PCH A200 / C200.
They gave absolute no information back and sucked every bit of code.

I would not wonder, if they release a device based on xbmc, and they hide every change they made.
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#12
Hey thica, you see this?
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/arti...894617.htm

The SMP8672 is the next model of the SMP8671 in the Popbox v8. They claim "The SMP8672 also fully supports the XBMC middleware, which is available royalty free as a turnkey release."

Thoughts?

Who did the heavy lifting to port XBMC to MIPS architecture?

atek3
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#13
Looks like I said. I can't see any return from sigma to the community.... ( I could'nt find anything on GIT)

Nevertheless: Great success for XBMC, this will give a further boost to the public awareness. It will become a defacto standard, like enigma on Sat Tuners...
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#14
The definition of XBMC as middleware is laughable or is it just me?
For troubleshooting and bug reporting please make sure you read this first.
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#15
I am sure, that sigma is using their own player, so, from their view, it is middleware
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