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calris · (This post was last modified: 2012-08-22, 13:43 by calris.)

I just ordered an A2000 despite reading through this thread. It looks like a very hackable device - I will be using it to get more familiar with building code for the ARM platform (starting with some U-boot hacking)

I hope Allwinner comes good with the VPU libraries (and hope they will open source them, which I strongly doubt will happen)

So if I can help out at all, please let me know

Shivansps · 2012-08-22, 17:48

I think we should be start mailing ARM about Mali in the meantime...

Kweker · 2012-08-22, 17:52

I don't think ARM would be interested at all. ARM is selling great in all kinds of devices all over the market. What would having better mali support do to their sales so that they would see an impact?

davilla · 2012-08-22, 18:56

(2012-08-22, 17:48)Shivansps Wrote: I think we should be start mailing ARM about Mali in the meantime...

ARM will ignore you and for good cause. Mali device implementations are the responsibility of the device maker and ARM only gives support to them.

oliv3r · (This post was last modified: 2012-08-22, 21:49 by oliv3r.)

Or, you could actually support mali driver development by supporting the lima project. http://www.limadriver.org

davilla · 2012-08-22, 23:35

(2012-08-22, 21:47)oliv3r Wrote: Or, you could actually support mali driver development by supporting the lima project. http://www.limadriver.org

And wait a few years, no thanks. I'll support a vendor that already has a good relationship with ARM.

calris · 2012-08-23, 06:29

(2012-08-22, 21:47)oliv3r Wrote: Or, you could actually support mali driver development by supporting the lima project. http://www.limadriver.org

But haven't ARM already open-sourced the Mali drivers?

http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-r...rivers.php

davilla · (This post was last modified: 2012-08-23, 06:41 by davilla.)

kernel, not userland. Here, let me quote it here since you did not actually read that page.

Quote:Note that these components are not a complete driver stack. To build a functional OpenGL ES or OpenVG driver you need access to the full source code of the Mali DDK, which is provided under the standard ARM commercial licence to all Mali GPU customers. For a complete integration of the Mali DDK with the X11 environment refer to the Integration Guide supplied with the Mali DDK.

The open source drivers provided on this page are designed to run with a version-compatible release of the Mali DDK (currently r2p1). In functional and performance terms they are identical to the implementations provided under the commercial licence. By also releasing them under the GPLv2 licence we hope to make it easier to include Mali drivers in any Linux platform.

calris · 2012-08-23, 06:51

(2012-08-23, 06:36)davilla Wrote: kernel, not userland. Here let me quote it here since you did not actually read that page.

LOL - I re-read it just after I posted that comment and realised my mistake Blush

, but thanks for the correction anyway Smile

So the lima project is providing the userland components - i.e. a replacement of the Mali DDK (sorry for my rank newbie-ness - I'm playing a bit of fast-track catchup)

I bought the A2000 to do some open-source ARM hacking. So far I see the boot-loader is 100% open-source via U-Boot which is a good start for me (being an U-Boot developer myself). I'm planning on documenting the gaps between a full-blown FLOSS code-base for the A2000 and a code-base which includes proprietary code.

calris · 2012-08-23, 07:17

(2012-08-19, 10:54)j1nx Wrote: The dual core cortex A9 (AMlogic) will soon take over. Followed by Tegra3. I give it about half a year and A10/A13 has fallen of the ladder.

I would not hold out any hope of the Tegra3 getting much FLOSS support - it is an nVidia SoC after all

oliv3r · (This post was last modified: 2012-08-23, 10:43 by oliv3r.)

(2012-08-22, 23:35)davilla Wrote:
(2012-08-22, 21:47)oliv3r Wrote: Or, you could actually support mali driver development by supporting the lima project. http://www.limadriver.org

And wait a few years, no thanks. I'll support a vendor that already has a good relationship with ARM.

No, support them with code, money, words of praise to speed up development while in the meantime use the blob. No need to be harsh.

Also, how does supporting a vendor get you better drivers? Arm does the drivers mostly?

No. Do support the lima project. They don't sell you any specific hardware, you can support both. Support manufactures that properly work with OSS and support us (aka pivos etc). Support Lima so they have their driver ready faster, which in the end will only be a good thing.

(2012-08-23, 06:51)calris Wrote:
(2012-08-23, 06:36)davilla Wrote: kernel, not userland. Here let me quote it here since you did not actually read that page.

LOL - I re-read it just after I posted that comment and realised my mistake , but thanks for the correction anyway

So the lima project is providing the userland components - i.e. a replacement of the Mali DDK (sorry for my rank newbie-ness - I'm playing a bit of fast-track catchup)

I bought the A2000 to do some open-source ARM hacking. So far I see the boot-loader is 100% open-source via U-Boot which is a good start for me (being an U-Boot developer myself). I'm planning on documenting the gaps between a full-blown FLOSS code-base for the A2000 and a code-base which includes proprietary code.

Exactly. The Lima project aims to build a fully opensource mali galium3D driver. ARM itself only provdies the essentials for their userland basically.

Think of it as fgrlx vs r600g or more accuratly, nvidida binary blob driver vs nouveau.

~~j1nx~~ · 2012-08-23, 12:23

(2012-08-23, 10:40)oliv3r Wrote: No. Do support the lima project. They don't sell you any specific hardware, you can support both. Support manufactures that properly work with OSS and support us (aka pivos etc). Support Lima so they have their driver ready faster, which in the end will only be a good thing.

The only way the development of Lima will go any faster is by either paying Luc more per hour as that his current project employer pays him (He really does not have the time to work on it as he has other paid jobs.) or start coding.

pszab · 2012-08-25, 08:52

new A10 device
http://www.quickembed.com/Tools/Shop/Sol...8/260.html

Shivansps · (This post was last modified: 2012-08-25, 19:58 by Shivansps.)

UPuter PI? as Argentinian myselft, they just really failed with that name...

Its really good that someone started to expose GPIOs on the A10, but seriously, 6-7 GPIOS only? that the max it has? My router has about 10 if i remember right and R-PI has more than 20...

~~Ned Scott~~ · 2012-08-26, 01:55

(2012-08-25, 08:52)pszab Wrote: new A10 device
http://www.quickembed.com/Tools/Shop/Sol...8/260.html

That got my hopes up for a moment when it mentioned an ethernet jack in the specs, but I don't see any jack or even solder points for any form of ethernet in the pictures. I've yet to hear about an Android stick with decent wifi.