Why not WMC as backend?
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(2013-01-23, 21:22)debennett2 Wrote:
(2012-09-06, 01:38)krustyreturns Wrote: For that matter you can use xbmc to launch wmc, setup a recording, and jump back into xbmc when you are done. Essentially that's my solution for Netflix in xbmc, I use xbmc to go straight into wmc-netflix, and I wrote a little wmc add-on so that when I back out of netflix with the "back" button it pops you back into xbmc. It makes wmc feel like a netflix app.

So are you converting your recorded programs out of wtv format for xbmc? If so, what software are you using? If not, how do you handle the weird file names wmc uses for recorded files?

Can you share how you accomplished both launching straight into WMC-netflix and getting back into xbmc by backing out of netflix? I'm all ears! Smile

I wrote a very simple app for WMC. When this app runs, it immediately starts netflix and puts the netflix page over this apps (blank) page. Then it sits there behind the netflix page, and waits for when the netflix page closes, either because you backed out of netflix or closed netflix (it does this by sensing when its page becomes visible, this weirdness is needed due to the way WMC works). When it detects this, it shuts down WMC.

So if you use xbmc's advanced launcher to start the app, it starts WMC straight into netflix, when you back out of netflix, WMC shuts down and xbmc comes back up.

I actually ended up making the app more general so that, besides netflix, it can be used to launch most any WMC app/page, and give the same "backing out" behavior.

Windows Media Center PVR addon (pvr.wmc) and server backend (ServerWMC)
http://bit.ly/serverwmc
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Why not WMC as backend? - by krustyreturns - 2012-09-04, 17:56
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by margro - 2012-09-04, 18:19
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by margro - 2012-09-04, 23:02
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by jajoflo - 2012-09-05, 02:30
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Livin - 2012-09-06, 00:17
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by debennett2 - 2013-01-23, 21:22
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by krustyreturns - 2013-01-24, 06:56
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Livin - 2012-09-06, 02:53
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by hyde01 - 2013-10-29, 05:40
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Riztnack - 2013-10-29, 16:06
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by joebrady - 2012-09-06, 05:04
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Jamesy - 2012-09-18, 15:29
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Jamesy - 2012-09-23, 17:00
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by kreeturez - 2012-09-24, 00:14
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Jamesy - 2012-09-24, 00:28
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by bluray - 2012-09-24, 01:14
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Haudrauf - 2012-09-26, 15:20
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by bluray - 2012-09-26, 16:20
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Haudrauf - 2012-09-26, 17:06
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Haudrauf - 2012-09-27, 10:26
Re: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2012-09-27, 12:45
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by kristjin - 2012-10-01, 04:37
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Livin - 2012-10-02, 21:12
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by kristjin - 2012-10-02, 23:35
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by DJShadow - 2012-10-12, 19:33
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by ebucha - 2012-10-17, 21:07
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by benoire - 2012-10-22, 08:30
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Crimzin - 2012-10-24, 23:16
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by T800 - 2012-10-25, 08:04
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by svet-am - 2012-10-29, 15:36
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Malosar - 2012-10-17, 21:31
Re: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2012-10-17, 21:40
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by sub3 - 2012-10-22, 17:39
Re: RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2013-01-24, 17:44
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by bernr - 2013-01-31, 16:10
Re: RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2013-02-01, 20:42
Re: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2013-02-02, 01:03
Re: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2013-02-02, 20:28
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-03, 20:44
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-02-03, 23:23
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-04, 10:21
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-06, 11:57
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by royfra - 2013-02-08, 20:20
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by 2twisty - 2013-02-06, 17:50
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-02-07, 04:17
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by 2twisty - 2013-02-06, 21:58
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-08, 15:54
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-02-08, 17:40
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by staknhalo - 2013-02-09, 16:28
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by asm495 - 2013-02-10, 11:52
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-12, 14:42
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by royfra - 2013-02-12, 13:13
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by thewarm - 2013-02-14, 14:15
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by bernr - 2013-02-15, 05:12
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Scott R - 2013-02-16, 17:27
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Livin - 2013-02-20, 00:35
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Scott R - 2013-02-20, 03:34
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-20, 15:11
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-02-20, 20:38
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by FIBO - 2013-02-21, 15:11
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by staknhalo - 2013-03-03, 05:55
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-03-13, 19:37
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by staknhalo - 2013-03-15, 01:52
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by asm495 - 2013-03-13, 12:10
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by asm495 - 2013-03-13, 18:22
Re: Why not WMC as backend? - by bry - 2013-03-13, 21:20
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-03-13, 21:51
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by LSU Jonno - 2013-03-14, 00:42
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-03-14, 03:33
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Dark_Slayer - 2013-09-22, 07:52
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RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-03-18, 19:26
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by smacrae - 2013-03-19, 00:52
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-03-19, 16:56
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by staknhalo - 2013-03-22, 18:15
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by spyder - 2013-03-19, 01:02
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by ConfusedTA - 2013-03-19, 14:47
RE: Why not WMC as backend? - by Dennis5056 - 2013-03-21, 10:33
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Why not WMC as backend? - by TjaLfE - 2013-04-24, 13:34
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