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HEVC (also known as h.265) - Review
#46
(2013-11-07, 02:53)DJ_Izumi Wrote:
(2013-11-06, 20:39)Piers Wrote: Anyway, I think x265 could be useful for certain applications, mostly streaming content where bandwidth is an issue. I don't see me using it for backups unless I get a 4K screen, which is very unlikely for a long time. I'm happy with x264, the profiles and resulting quality. Plus hard drives aren't expensive (£75 for 3TB).

Not to be a snot, but this is what everyone was basically saying when DivX/XviD were looking to be supplanted by h.264. h.265/HEVC will come as a natural evolution, it'll get hardware and software support, it'll save bandwidth/storage and/or allow higher resolution in the same bandwidth/storage and at some point we'll wonder how we ever managed with 'icky h.264'.

DivX and XviD are very different - especially XviD. h.264 was the first mainstream codec to be adopted for high definition content and does it's job perfectly well. I've often compared my own rips (CRF 16) to the Blu-Ray versions gathering dust on shelves and find the quality to be fine. I've also created an XviD version of Avatar which I really didn't like. The size was acceptable but the quality was mediocre. I'm sure you're correct and h.265 will eventually replace 264, but I don't see that happening for a good decade or so.

Edit: When I say that DivX and XviD are very different, I don't mean from one another - I'm fully aware of the history.
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#47
(2013-11-07, 04:31)Piers Wrote: I'm sure you're correct and h.265 will eventually replace 264, but I don't see that happening for a good decade or so.

No way it's going to take that long. Netflix is looking to have 4k streaming available next year, and I'm pretty sure they'll want to use h.265 for it. People already want better quality at lower bandwidth (bandwidth caps etc.) for 1080p media, so if this can deliver as promised, I see it catching on pretty fast.

And once it makes it into ffmpeg and gets hardware support I'll be all over it. I think in a year or two I'll be getting exclusively h.265 content.
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#48
It's one thing to be available and another to replace an existing standard for the majority of users.
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#49
True, but taking a decade? Seems way to long. If phones can already do it, I don't see why it would take so long. Stuff is moving to digital streaming fast, and as it does there's going to be a big push to have it available at smaller sizes because people aren't going to have unlimited bandwidth. h.265 will help with that so people are going to be eager to use it.

My comment about 1-2 years applies more to tech savvy and early adopter people, but I see it being widely adopted a couple years after that.
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#50
Maybe a decade to completely beat h.264 into the ground? There are still some divx stragglers out there and h.264 was finalized in 2003. Then again, streaming media is much stronger now than it was in 2003. I'd speculate (total speculation, at that) that we'll see a strong presence of h.265 in a few years.
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#51
Yes, and there's a lot more penetration of devices that will play back/stream media now than in 2003, and people are adopting such things faster now as well. Technology has become more of a part of our lives than 10 years ago, so the playing field has changed and is moving faster than ever.

I guess we'll see though. There is already a pirated release of Skyfall in 1080p with x265, so I guess it's just a matter of time now ;-)
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#52
Not to mention, while it's not talked about, a LOT that goes through XBMC are supplied by 'The Scene' and 'The Scene' likes to be fairly cutting edge with codecs, so that'll drive what XBMC has to adapt for.
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#53
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#54
(2013-07-29, 08:43)T800 Wrote: I like the idea of an improved codec and all it's benefits but I'm not going waste my time re-encoding my library that will lose some quality to save a few TB's I already have.

Agreed! There's no way I could take the time to re-encode my library. Would take way too much time, but I am looking forward to x265, once in becomes the standard. The space saving alone will be awesome.
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#55
There are devices out there which are more than capable, and the majority of us technophiles will adopt early, but you have to remember that people still have black and white televisions, CRT-based TVs and DVDs are still on sale. Emerging markets will continue to use the cheaper and more readily available alternative - just common sense. DivX/XviD/H.264 are here to stay whilst people like you and I will adopt H.265 as soon as it's near final.

(I am making a sweeping generalization but if you've taken the time to read this thread then it's more than likely you know what H.264/5 is - hence the 'you and I' part).
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(2013-11-11, 06:21)Piers Wrote: There are devices out there which are more than capable, and the majority of us technophiles will adopt early, but you have to remember that people still have black and white televisions, CRT-based TVs and DVDs are still on sale. Emerging markets will continue to use the cheaper and more readily available alternative - just common sense. DivX/XviD/H.264 are here to stay whilst people like you and I will adopt H.265 as soon as it's near final.

(I am making a sweeping generalization but if you've taken the time to read this thread then it's more than likely you know what H.264/5 is - hence the 'you and I' part).
Agreed. I just remember the groans on some torrent site forums I cruised when people downloaded xvid's that wouldn't play on their effing DVD players.

Funny they were British sites, is technology really that further behind in Britain?
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#57
Any news regarding this? Would love to see HEVC as a playable codec
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#58
(2014-01-20, 17:33)tutu Wrote: Any news regarding this? Would love to see HEVC as a playable codec

What news do you want? The encoder (x265) is still in the relatively early stages. It is not yet at the point where you would actually want to use it for the videos you watch on a daily basis. Until that point comes it's not particularly important to have HEVC playback in XBMC.

For now use VLC or MPC-HC if you want to test it out.
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#59
what are you talking about of course we want to see the codec incorporated i have x265 material which is not playable in XBMC13.

(2014-01-20, 18:44)voochi Wrote:
(2014-01-20, 17:33)tutu Wrote: Any news regarding this? Would love to see HEVC as a playable codec

What news do you want? The encoder (x265) is still in the relatively early stages. It is not yet at the point where you would actually want to use it for the videos you watch on a daily basis. Until that point comes it's not particularly important to have HEVC playback in XBMC.

For now use VLC or MPC-HC if you want to test it out.
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You will need to wait until ffmpeg supports it and then xbmc syncs a new version of ffmpeg. The latter will not happen for gotham.
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