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Xiaomi 4K HDR 'Mi Box' (Android TV set-top box)
(2019-04-17, 10:30)nikos_a Wrote: Also, since I wrote before about still having the slow performance and wake up issues, I followed the advice that some people wrote about to enable HDMI-CEC and indeed, the problem went away. However, HDMI-CEC and its implementations differ so my issue is that if I change the source in my AVR while the Mi Box is on, say to the STB box, the CEC will force the source back to the Mi Box. Only way to have this work, is to put the Mi Box to stand by. I wonder, did Xiaomi ever bothered to test this fixes with the HDMI-CEC disabled? Their testing is extremely poor.

Can't you enable CEC on the Mibox, but disable on the TV ?
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Hi,
It's my first message in this forum :-)
My Kodi 18 became very slow on my mibox 3, maybe because of a large video library on my google drive.
Now when the mibox starts, there is a warning saying the internal memory is almost full.
What are the recommanded setups to keep a smooth Kodi on mibox?
Thanks for your help :-)
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Hello, with the latest update my Dolby digital (all digital sound) don't work, only Dolby surround, 2.0.

In box audio settings I only have option pcm or auto.
In kodi Leia 18.2 only Android/audiotrack and no option to choose pass through. I have a modern Onkyo receiver with "only" 5.1 speaker connected.
How can I fix this?
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thanks for the summary... would you please be precise on the models?  e.g. I have the 2016 Model called "MiBox 3 Pro", model name: MDZ-18-AA.

Two things are different from yours:
1. My remote is BT-based coms also with speech control;
2. No compatible setting did I find for Harmony hub( any IR-/IF-/BT-based) handsets, i.e. not controllable with Harmony!
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Here the hardware spec.:
Mi3PRO 2016 (MDZ-18-AA) 

Android 5.1
MediaTek
MT8693
2 core Cortex-A72 
64bit  2.0GHz
4core Cortex-A53
at 1.6 GHz
Power VR 
GX6250
2GB LPDDR3 twin-channel
8 GB
802.11ac 2×2 MIMO

 
(2016-05-18, 23:00)Wheresthebeef Wrote: wrxtasy MOD EDIT:Mi Box (2016 Model) - with Android TV Oreo 8.0 / (2018 Model S) 8.1 :Updated 10th April 2019 - Mi Box - Firmware....that now includes Kodi auto Frame Rate Matching.

Xiaomi are slowly fixing bugs...

The Downright Ugly First - Serious Bugs:
  • Fixed:
  • NTFS or exFat formatted - direct connected USB Hard Drives are not readable by Kodi & other Apps.
  • WiFi connectivity problems & dropouts with FW 2303 (the most recent public release) Seems Fixed !
  • USB3 > Gigabit adapter connectivity issues after waking from sleep.
  • Bluetooth remote > Mi Box wake up from deep sleep issues - still an annoying problem.
Not Fixed:
  • A Xiaomi Bug results in Kodi Leia Auto Frame Rate matching - mistakingly switching to 4K resolution every time even if you are watching non-4K content. The end result is inferior 720/1080p > 4K picture upscaling vs what a 4K TV can produce with it's superior upscaling hardware.
  • 5.1 DD+ Netflix - bitstreaming audio dropouts, and also in other Apps with DD+ audio, including Kodi. 2.0 Netflix Audio OK.
  • Noticeable frequent video stuttering (vs other media players) during 1080p video playback with the Netflix App @ 60Hz
  • Deceptive Dolby Audio advertising by Xiaomi....
  • No 5.1 Netflix audio if you use a Dolby Digital only HDMI connected audio receiver, even tho the Mi Box is Dolby Audio Licensed.
  • No SPDIF audio output - Android OS settings option - expect problems.
  • Deinterlacing for Broadcast TV is not working properly in Live Channels, Kodi PVR's and the HDHomerun App for all version of Oreo Firmware.
The Good:
  • Xiaomi are still providing Firmware updates, even if they are a bit slow coming - 2.5+ years after 2016 Mi Box release Smile
  • After users requests - they now patiently run a Beta Firmware test program before widespread public FW updates.
  • Long pressing the middle "o" home button in 2016 Mi Box remote shortcuts to installed Apps. Really handy !
  • Kodi Leia, SmartYoutube, Plex & other Apps (not Netflix) now have auto Frame Rate matching working properly for silky smooth video playback. Nod
  • The user interface is reasonably snappy for such a cheap ATV device.
  • Google Voice Assist works.
  • I do like the cleaner looking more modern Oreo user interface. Oreo - Channels is a powerful tool when used with Kodi smart playlists.
  • MrMC is also now installable from the Playstore and runs well, especially FFWD and RWD thru video.
  • 4K high bitrate Bluray Krypton video playback works better when used with a (Ugreen) USB3 > Gigabit LAN adapter
  • 4K HDR > SDR mapping works. Color output results WILL vary depending on different TV'S used.
  •  
  • Support for 5.1 AC3, DTS (all Mi Boxes) and HD Audio Passthrough, inc. Atmos (2016 Mi Box only)
  • RGB 8bit video output now supported for those with older problematic Philips/Sony TV's.
  • Amazon appears to have relaxed Prime Video App video streaming device restrictions and the App can be Sideloaded, there may however still be problems...
  • 4K HDR support added for use with Apps like Kodi, Netflix, and Sideloaded Prime Video (click), and the Smart YouTube App (click)
The Bad
  • No LAN port, extra hardware must be purchased.
  • Kodi Auto Resolution switching NOT working properly.
  • Old VC-1 Bluray Rips and mpeg4 will cause playback issues.
  • OTA TV Deinterlacing (using AMLogic Mediacodec) is still half motion and mpeg2 picture quality is blocky if used with Kodi Krypton/Leia PVR's or the TvHeadend Live Channels App. There is also stuttering deinterlaced video playback. This is a long standing AMLogic Android bug.
  • 2018 Mi Box S only - no longer has IEC61937 audio support for Kodi - Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio passthrough.
Summary - updated 24th March 2019

Xiaomi have finally realised after a very buggy initial July 2018 - Oreo Firmware update that the Mi Box is getting a LOT of bad press, especially when they were trying to relaunch a virtually hardware identical - the 2018 Mi Box S on to the market.

They now have decent competition as well with a cheap Android TV Oreo - Ematic Jetstream 4K Ultra HD, that also has better connectivity.
And then there is the more powerful, cheaper - Android FireOS based - 2018 Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K to consider.

The Mi Box is quite stable now for casual use, and for 1080p TV users is great for Kodi Leia now it has working Kodi Auto Frame Rate Matching.
I would not use it for Netflix & 5.1 DD+ audio - copy protected Apps video streaming. That specific combo simply will not work properly, or for the 2018 Mi Box S - Kodi HD audio passthrough.

Kodi Leia is pretty snappy and you get 4K 60fps HDR Youtube with the Smart YouTube App.
For those that are not too demanding, the Mi Box is now a decent device for those that want a cheap entry level, properly certified Android TV Oreo experience.
I still love the really responsive, reliable BT remote.

W.

Mi Box Firmware Archive (click)Australian - Android TV extracted Apps (click)Want to improve WiFi reception sensitivity with some minor DIY ? (click)Xiaomi Mi Box:Tech Specs (click)Mini Review - Updated May 2018

The Xiaomi Mi Box is running Android Marshmallow 6.0.1 with AMLogic S905X hardware & Firmware update 1st July 2017

Tested with SPMC 16.7.1 and Kodi Krypton 17.6....

The Good:
  • A Quality, well engineered little device, Xiaomi really should have called it the "Saucer" - its not a box !
  • The Android TV OS launcher and its specifically designed for TV, easy to use Apps, no damn Air Mice needed.
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  • The ultra responsive - Bluetooth Voice Remote really is excellent - in fact the best on the market for Android TV.
  • A reasonably snappy device for $69, when navigating around the Android TV user interface and Kodi.
  • Chromecast / Googlecast built.
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  • Reliable 5.1 DD+ Audio / 4K Netflix confirmed working when connected to DD+ HDCP2.2 capable AVR / 4K TV.
  • 5.1 / 7.1 AC3 / DD+ / Dolby Atmos/TrueHD, DTS:X/HD-Master Audio passthrough confirmed working with Kodi Krypton
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  • 8/10bit 720/1080p Kodi / SPMC playback is fine. You can even Voice search a SPMC media library with the remote. Smile
  • AC WiFi is excellent, with great WiFi receiver sensitivity, no issues streaming 1080p Blurays via a MIMO Apple Extreme (N) router.
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  • There is an undocumented IR receiver, hidden on the front lower edge of the Mi Box.
  • Harmony IR remotes programmed as a Xiaomi Mi Box3 mirror exactly the included Bluetooth remote functions.
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  • Tested out an old, (relatively power inefficient) 500GB 2.5" Hard Drive and have no issues with it running reliably on the Mi Box from the USB2 port due to the Mi Box's 5.2V / 2.0 Amp power pack.
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  • ASIX AX88772 Chipset - USB to Ethernet Adapters such as this cheap (Apple clone) one have been confirmed working on the Mi Box
  • Other ASIX AX compatible adapters listed HERE and HERE. The Ugreen USB3 adapter seems to work properly.
The Bad
  • All Android TV devices will only output Netflix 5.1 DD+ Audio when HDMI connected to a DD+ capable AVR / TV. DD only, HDMI connected Audio equiptment will result in 2.0 PCM only Netflix audio.
  • 99% of Android devices cannot Auto Resolution switch 1080p/4K for optimal quality picture outputs on a 4K TV.
  •  
  • No Netflix HDR support
  • Chromecasting is not that reliable on Android TV devices vs proper Google Chromecasting Hardware.
  •  
  • NO Kodi dynamic refresh rate switching.
  • You will NOT get ultra smooth Kodi / Plex video playback. 3:2 Pulldown judder is evident for those sensitive to this type of video playback.
    You can still switching TV refresh rates manually in Android settings for 23.976 / 29.97 / 59.94fps video output.
  •  
  • Problematic Hardware deinterlacing when using Kodi/SPMC and Live TV. Use TvHeadend Live Channels App but you will still have poor deinterlaced picture quality, especially for 25fps Oz / N.Z. / Euro TV.
  • Workaround - SPMC TvHeadend - Software De-Interlacing tips for SD mpeg2 OTA TV - click HERE
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  • This device is locked down tight with Android SELinux, you cannot Root it. So I cannot even test my Bluetooth PS3 controller for compatibility. It will not work via a USB connection either. Other Android controllers reported to work fine. (see Reddit).
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  • Unless users have good home - N or AC WiFi - then 4K Netflix video streaming needs Ethernet for reliability. A USB to Ethernet adapter should be used. A reminder Android Settings > Display > Screen Resolution - need to be set to a 4K2K resolution.
The Downright Ugly:
  • Because the Mi Box does not have a LAN/Ethernet port, trying to playback High Bitrate 4K video with HD Audio will be poor and unreliable even when using a USB > 100M Ethernet adapter. Do NOT buy the Mi Box for High Bitrate UHD Bluray 4K Kodi video streaming !
  • Retesting needs to be done with a UGREEN USB 3.0 Combo—USB 3.0 Giga Ethernet + 3 ports USB 3.0 Hub to see if that allows better streaming datarates.
Summary:

With about 4 Firmware updates since October 2016 the Mi Box has turned into a fairly reliable media streamer. You get all the bells and whistles of an officially licensed Google Android TV product in a nice snappy package with a really excellent Bluetooth wireless remote.

Its looks like Xiaomi and AMlogic are actually providing decent Firmware support. The lack of Kodi (auto) dynamic refresh rate switching really is a PITA for those that love ultra smooth video playback. (can still switch manually). Hardware deinterlacing is still broken when using both SPMC and Kodi with TvHeadend.

The Mi Box cannot run LibreELEC Kodi due to a SELinux secured, locked down bootloader.

I would classify the Mi Box a "Kodi lite" media player for mainstream, not too demanding 1080p Kodi users.
For non-tecchy, real easy to use Android TV Apps. It is a nice little budget streamer box. Smile


What do all those Android Video settings mean ?
Click HERE for an explanation.

UGREEN USB 3.0 Combo—USB 3.0 Giga Ethernet + 3 ports USB 3.0 Hub

USA Sales from...

Wally World !International delivery - USD $57 from lightinthebox.com

For those looking to purchase from outside the USA then this is the International version, same spec as the USA Mi Box (Model MDZ-16-AB) we talk about in this thread:

£63 including DHL express delivery from Xiaomi's Official Online Webstore Store

if you are in the UK, then the Solutions Shop also sells the same Mi Box:

Solutions Shop

May 19th, 2016

Looks like there will be another Android TV box soon to contend with the Shield and Nexus Player.

Xiaomi announced today during Google I/O that they are releasing a new 4k device soon in the US market called the Mi Box.

Specs released as of this post:

60fps 4K video decoding
HDR10** and HDMI 2.0a support **Netflix HDR support needs a Nougat Firmware update
Dolby Digital Plus + DTS surround sound
Bluetooth voice remote
USB port for additional storage
802.11ac Wi-Fi
Optional Mi Game Controller for a console-grade gaming experience.
Google cast support

I will try to update when more becomes available. Hopefully it'll be a good Kodi alternative to the Shield/Nexus Player.
Crossing my fingers for gigabit ethernet/USB 3.0. Just happy to see more Android TV devices being released, tbh.

Here's a few pics:
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Here's the optional gaming controller you can purchase separately:
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What does mean "No SPDIF audio output - Android OS settings option - expect problems." ?

I use the SPDIF audio output for PCM stereo, with no problem.
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*solved*
I unticked hdmi-cek.
But it still didn't work, so I unplugged the power chord for the hole stereo/video setup and it worked.
The pass through menu also showed up in Leia, sound settings and Netflix sound is dd+
(2019-04-23, 15:28)tvniklas Wrote: Hello, with the latest update my Dolby digital (all digital sound) don't work, only Dolby surround, 2.0.

In box audio settings I only have option pcm or auto.
In kodi Leia 18.2 only Android/audiotrack and no option to choose pass through. I have a modern Onkyo receiver with "only" 5.1 speaker connected.
How can I fix this?
2016 MiBox connected with HDMI via
Onkyo reciver
Leia 18.2
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Can the MI Box S output 1080i? (I want to use it for H264 1080i TV, and I'd rather just throw it on my TV, let it do the hard work, cheap S905 LE box can do it, but I want 4K HDR Netflix too) Is auto framerate matching supported? 

Or if you can just point me the right direction: is there a device on the market that can do 1080i output, proper framerate matching and L1 widevine for 4K Netlfix?
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Hi there are interesting features
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I have a quick question please about resolution support.

Our TV is a old 2006 Samsung 720p set that was top of the line way back when and I mean it won many best of the best awards for HD back then. We also have a new fairly expensive TCL 4K set that absolutely sucks when compared to the old 720p, even after proper tweaking has been applied. So I put the new MiBox S on the old 720p TV in order to turn it into a smart TV. And we love it. 

Here's the issue, all the apps and the device itself identifies the 720p/60 set just fine but Kodi only allows you to select 1080p. This forces me to have to massively adjust the screen overscan setting to compensate for the misidentified resolution. After first installing Kodi when you go into the settings the entire screen is completely useless as it's so large (1080p on a 720p screen). Thankfully I knew where to blindly find the display page, but again it shows only two resolutions I can select, 1080p or 1080p, lol. 

So does anyone know why kodi 18.2 is doing that and how to force kodi to give us the proper 720p resolution setting? 

Thanks for any insight into why Kodi is doing this. 

SkOrPn
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(2019-05-11, 20:11)leone007 Wrote: Or if you can just point me the right direction: is there a device on the market that can do 1080i output, proper framerate matching and L1 widevine for 4K Netlfix?
Yes, Nvidia shield TV.
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(2019-05-11, 20:11)leone007 Wrote: Can the MI Box S output 1080i? (I want to use it for H264 1080i TV, and I'd rather just throw it on my TV, let it do the hard work, cheap S905 LE box can do it, but I want 4K HDR Netflix too) Is auto framerate matching supported? 

Or if you can just point me the right direction: is there a device on the market that can do 1080i output, proper framerate matching and L1 widevine for 4K Netlfix?

Both the 2016 / 2018 Mi Box (S) can do Kodi auto Frame Rate Matching and 4K HDR Netflix.
However the Mi Boxes have 5.1 DD+ Netflix audio dropout problems.

I would not use the Mi Boxes for interlaced H264 video content viewing. They are lousy with interlaced mpeg2 / h264 TV content. A LOT worse vs your current LE S905 device.

ALL Android TV media players (inc. the Shield) can only passthrough 5.1 DD+ Netflix audio to a DD+ capable audio receiver. If your audio receiver is Dolby Digital only then you will get only 2.0 PCM channels of audio. Its a Android TV limitation it seems.

Only the Apple TV 4K can do auto Frame Rate Matching when using the Netflix App. It can also downmix Netflix 5.1 DD+ audio into 5.1 DD only audio to be highly compatible with older DD only audio receivers.
The MrMC App on the ATV 4K easily handles 1080i h264 TV content properly. A lot better upscaled output picture quality (to 4K) vs the NVIDIA Shield as well.

The ATV 4K is a great companion media player (especially for Apps) to the AML S9xx LibreELEC / CoreELEC Kodi media players.
I suggest you read the review: 335219 (thread)

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Than you for the swift answer Smile TL;DR at the end. My goal is to have all my content under one umbrella, I don't want apps, so when I'm talking about 4K HDR Netflix, I'm talking about the kodi Netflix addon. It appears that there is no perfect solution for my needs unfortunately. What I wanted was:

- 4K HDR for streamed DRM (Netflix etc.), and for downloaded content.
- Perfectly deinterlaced live TV (I'm in Hungary, H264 1080i is the standard here, no mpeg2)
- Snappy 4K interface, lots of fanart etc.
- Noiseless operation
- Small form factor, so I can carry my whole MediaPlayer experience to anywhere (to my projector in the garden or to family holidays etc.)

My main rig is a fanless coffee lake NUC running LE Milhouse, great for almost everything apart form
- no HDR (I know, we'll get there someday)
- Netflix is only 1080p (I don't know if we can get to 4K HDR on Linux, Netflix has it's own ideas about their service)
- my akasa plato x isn't really something I'd call portable Smile

My cheap noname S905 LE does most things well, only 720p Netflix though. There is 2 ways to watch 1080i TV content, either HW deinterlace it, or "passthrough" to the TV. (this gives way better quality) So, to have something (Netflix) 4K HDR capable, I started looking at L1 Android devices, and let LE go for now.

- FTV stick 4K: fantastic image quality on my TV it really blows my mind, but no HW deinterlacing, nor 1080i output.
- FTV 3rd gen Penadant: great image quality, hectic deinterlacing (great motion adaptive for PAFF, complete failure with MBAFF) and of course no 1080i output.
- nVidia Shield TV: appears to be a good solution, if I have to set the GUI to 1080p and let the TV do the upscaling then I am willing to do so. No 1080i output AFAIK
(2019-05-12, 02:34)wrxtasy Wrote: Both the 2016 / 2018 Mi Box (S) can do Kodi auto Frame Rate Matching and 4K HDR Netflix.
However the Mi Boxes have 5.1 DD+ Netflix audio dropout problems.

ALL Android TV media players (inc. the Shield) can only passthrough 5.1 DD+ Netflix audio to a DD+ capable audio receiver. If your audio receiver is Dolby Digital only then you will get only 2.0 PCM channels of audio. Its a Android TV limitation it seems.
I don't mind the sound, 2.0 PCM is all I need really. I use my TV's speakers or a JBL soundgear (on analogue output), or Bluetooth fed ifi xDSD + AKG K872 if I really want great quality audio. 
(2019-05-12, 02:34)wrxtasy Wrote: I would not use the Mi Boxes for interlaced H264 video content viewing. They are lousy with interlaced mpeg2 / h264 TV content. A LOT worse vs your current LE S905 device.
By lousy you mean lousy rendering, 1080i or lousy deinterlacing? As long as I can output the 1080i, it is OK for me isn't it? Or is it possible that it renders 1080i in a shitty quality, that even a TV cannot deinterlace it properly? Please clarify.
(2019-05-12, 02:34)wrxtasy Wrote: Only the Apple TV 4K can do auto Frame Rate Matching when using the Netflix App. It can also downmix Netflix 5.1 DD+ audio into 5.1 DD only audio to be highly compatible with older DD only audio receivers.
The MrMC App on the ATV 4K easily handles 1080i h264 TV content properly. A lot better upscaled output picture quality (to 4K) vs the NVIDIA Shield as well.

The ATV 4K is a great companion media player (especially for Apps) to the AML S9xx LibreELEC / CoreELEC Kodi media players.
I suggest you read the review: 335219 (thread)  
I don't mind Apple, but as I said, I want everything under one interface, not apps. Sad MrMC isn't kodi in the way I'd like to use kodi. 

TL;DR:  I want something that can output 1080i for TV, has L1 DRM, framerate matching, I'm happy with 2.0 PCM audio, I will only use kodi. Will the Mi box do 1080i output for me?
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(2019-05-12, 18:32)leone007 Wrote: Than you for the swift answer Smile TL;DR at the end. My goal is to have all my content under one umbrella, I don't want apps, so when I'm talking about 4K HDR Netflix, I'm talking about the kodi Netflix addon. It appears that there is no perfect solution for my needs unfortunately.
You are right there is not.

Plus you should NOT be relying on the Kodi Leia Netflix Addon to keep working reliably, if at all going forward. I could fall over tomorrow.
The Kodi Leia Amazon Addon for example has now been blocked from streaming video at the video server source. It cannot be fixed. Game over.

You need to use a Netflix App for 100% reliability if that sort of video streaming is a must have now and into the future.

Quote:What I wanted was:

- Perfectly deinterlaced live TV (I'm in Hungary, H264 1080i is the standard here, no mpeg2)

The Mi Box does not have even good deinterlacing anyway. It's half motion, stuttering rubbish. Does not matter how you output the picture to a TV.
All AMLogic Chipset devices running any sort of Android OS need to be avoided for any sort of interlaced TV viewing.

Quote:- Snappy 4K interface, lots of fanart etc.
The only device that actually has a 4K interface and 4K icons with great output picture quality at 4K is the Apple TV 4K.

The Shield's main screen GUI is coded at 1080p. And it's upscaling is pretty poor by comparison vs more modern Chipset devices.

The Mi Box is definitely NOT what you want either. You are asking to much of a budget Android device.

Good luck in the hunt. Compromises will need to be made. Wink

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Only for the sake of argument.
(2019-05-13, 03:03)wrxtasy Wrote: Plus you should NOT be relying on the Kodi Leia Netflix Addon to keep working reliably, if at all going forward. I could fall over tomorrow.
The Kodi Leia Amazon Addon for example has now been blocked from streaming video at the video server source. It cannot be fixed. Game over.

You need to use a Netflix App for 100% reliability if that sort of video streaming is a must have now and into the future.
"F..ck 'em" said the customer. "I can always go rogue and download their content to my NAS, and stream it to myself wherever I am."

I don't see how these big companies are trying to fight piracy.
(2019-05-13, 03:03)wrxtasy Wrote: The Mi Box does not have even good deinterlacing anyway. It's half motion, stuttering rubbish. Does not matter how you output the picture to a TV.
All AMLogic Chipset devices running any sort of Android OS need to be avoided for any sort of interlaced TV viewing.
I don't necessarily want deinterlacing in my streaming box, my TV or my projector can easily handle the deinterlacing of 1080i, but only if my streaming box is able to do 1080i resolution output. (LE does this, but can't do HDR, nor Netflix HW encode) EDIT: it is actually a CoreElec device, not LE. I have LE on my NUC. 
(2019-05-13, 03:03)wrxtasy Wrote: The only device that actually has a 4K interface and 4K icons with great output picture quality at 4K is the Apple TV 4K.

The Shield's main screen GUI is coded at 1080p. And it's upscaling is pretty poor by comparison vs more modern Chipset devices.
What are modern Chipset devices?
(2019-05-13, 03:03)wrxtasy Wrote: The Mi Box is definitely NOT what you want either. You are asking to much of a budget Android device.

Good luck in the hunt. Compromises will need to be made. Wink 
IKR Smile I am willing to pay as much as I have to for the perfect solution, which obviously doesn't exist. I am also willing to make the compromise as long as I find an L1 DRM device that can do 1080i output, which most likely I won't. Smile
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Nvidia shield TV does desinterlacing 1080i and L1 DRM.
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