2016-09-05, 18:47
(2016-09-05, 11:32)fritsch Wrote:(2016-09-05, 01:04)xbmclinuxuser Wrote:(2016-09-04, 19:04)fritsch Wrote: I hate reading tons of text, while in the same time code could have been written. The spirit of oss is: if you want sth not there work on it.
Says the most abrasive developer on the Kodi team. And you say shit like this despite the fact that you know full well I am not a coder, from past times I've told you this (and there is always my signature line, which quite frankly is there just for you). Most of your users aren't coders, either, and I am sure you know that as well. But hey, might as well poke the bear, it's easier than actually doing anything useful.
The most abrasive developer? Care to elaborate on your metrics? I want to see how far I won against koying or martijn or that evil negge from above? :-)
You are the only one that consistantly tries to just annoy me by responding with some kind of "send code" response even though you know I'm incapable of doing that. I don't read negge as deliberately attempting to be annoying, if anything I think he is genuinely trying to be helpful. I think maybe he just doesn't grasp that users and developers don't think alike, and that what makes perfect sense to a developer may be so much noise to a user, and that you're never going to turn users into coders or developers if they're not already predisposed to that sort of thing (which most of your users are not). I can't remember the last time martijn replied to anything I wrote (maybe he has the good sense to leave me alone when a reply would not be helpful) so I can't comment on that, and koying is apparently under the charming delusion that he can teach users "etiquette" and that they will actually follow it (maybe that will happen about the same time Kodi developers start being nice to users). He also doesn't like to read a lot of text so I figure eventually he'll stop reading my posts and try to teach "etiquette" to someone else, and will probably be equally unsuccessful (if you want to train something to do what you like, get a dog). But it seems you just never miss an opportunity to deliberately try to annoy me, and that seems to be the entire point of the posts you make. Therefore, from my point of view, you are the most annoying.
I suppose you are aware that a few months ago one of your number went on Reddit and spilled the beans about the fact that you guys don't even get along with each other, and he actually apologized for some of the responses he'd made to people. It sounded to me like working on Kodi isn't a fun thing because good developers have a difficult time dealing with the toxicity of the atmosphere created by a small number of developers. You would probably have a lot more good developers if you guys could just be nice to each other, let alone to users. This, I suspect, is the hidden cost of having such bad attitudes toward users; eventually you start treating each other the same way and while there's probably an "inner clique" that gets along well enough to accomplish something, you totally scare away anyone new that could make a contribution to Kodi, or that might actually want to become a coder or developer. I really find it ironic that koying would try to teach me etiquette when I suspect some of the Kodi developers could benefit from some kind of therapy or training to help them get along with each other, and with users, and maybe with the world in general. Admittedly I probably could too, since apparently some of my posts seem to come off as being more abrasive than I intended them, but then again I'm not working together with a group of people on a major software project (and at my age, I never will).
Of all the software I use, there are only two projects where I have this love/hate thing with them because the software is clearly the only thing available in its class, and in most of what it tries to do it does it very well, but when it falls down at some point the developers treat feature requests (or bug reports they don't want to deal with, so they transform them into feature requests) as major annoyances, and sometimes attack the user that brings up the issue. And in both cases, it has come out that the developers don't always get along with each other. The funny thing is that I have never seen this happen in forums devoted to Windows-only or OS X-only software (it probably does happen somewhere, I've just never personally seen it on those platforms), and I think it's because nobody has any inflated expectations for users of those OS's. I don't understand why some people think that in 2016, if you manage to install Ubuntu that means you are a coder (or want to be), or some kind of Linux expert. This is not 1996 and we are not using Slackware (a Linux distribution I have read is incredibly difficult for those who aren't Linux experts). It really doesn't take a lot of intelligence to install Ubuntu and make it work anymore, and it's a lot faster (and less expensive) to install Linux than Windows. So, there are a lot of us "just plain users" that are running Linux on one or more of our machines now.
(Sorry, koying, I wasn't replying to you, so no problem if you skipped this post entirely due to the length. I understand that you think users should follow a certain etiquette, but you don't speak for everyone, and if you don't like reading long posts then just don't).