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I've ordered an G4560 and a Asrock Deskmini 110 and tested 3D/4K output by using a Uptab DP/HDMI2.0a adapter. The new Kaby Lake Pentium Hyper-treading series looks promising and so does the Deskmini, that is marginally bigger then some NUC's and lookalikes (size is like a standard ATX power-supply), but can be used with the "normal" desktop Sky- and Kaby Lake CPU's.

Edit: All seems well. Putting out very nice 4K (up to 60Hz) with all HD-Audio formats, through DislayPort 1.2 and 3D MVC is working very nicely also. Every video-format I tested is playing smooth with CPU load up to 30% for all the heavy stuff. No HDR though, but that isn't available at this moment in W10 (unless using Netflix 4K and Edge), so that seems logical. Desktop resolution is set to 3840*2160/60Hz.
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Is anyone having this error using Kodi 17 RC4 on Windows 10?

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No. Everything is fine here.
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ETA for my NUC orders are 7/2
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(2017-01-24, 20:06)_Spook_ Wrote: ETA for my NUC orders are 7/2

Damn, I thought it was supposed to be released on Jan 16
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I had an inital ETA of today for the i3 version, but was pushed 2 weeks for some reason...
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I have a quick question I was hoping someone might be able to help with. I am getting ready to make the jump to 4k and am looking at upgrading my htpc, I see the new nuc will be able to do [email protected] Are there any regular motherboards capable of this at this time. I have been searching around but have not been able to find the answer.
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Apollo Lake boards like Asrock j3455 ITX and j4205ITX but until now there is also problem with the internal HDMI 2.0 converter chip, so you need to use the dvi-hdmi 1.4 port/adapter, which limits your output to 4k 30hz.
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(2017-01-25, 08:40)flyingernst Wrote: Apollo Lake boards like Asrock j3455 ITX and j4205ITX but until now there is also problem with the internal HDMI 2.0 converter chip, so you need to use the dvi-hdmi 1.4 port/adapter, which limits your output to 4k 30hz.

Thank you, I have been looking at those as well. I currently have an older amd a10 system that I threw a gtx 960 in last year that has been working fine but the kids computer that he plays his steam games on had the video card go out. So I have been trying to decide if I want to upgrade my HTPC and throw the gtx 960 in his computer for games or if I should wait on the htpc and just buy him another video card.
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(2017-01-19, 17:05)p750mmx Wrote: [cut]
I've ordered an G4560 and a Asrock Deskmini 110 and tested 3D/4K output by using a Uptab DP/HDMI2.0a adapter. The new Kaby Lake Pentium Hyper-treading series looks promising and so does the Deskmini, that is marginally bigger then some NUC's and lookalikes (size is like a standard ATX power-supply), but can be used with the "normal" desktop Sky- and Kaby Lake CPU's.

Edit: All seems well. Putting out very nice 4K (up to 60Hz) with all HD-Audio formats, through DislayPort 1.2 and 3D MVC is working very nicely also. Every video-format I tested is playing smooth with CPU load up to 30% for all the heavy stuff. No HDR though, but that isn't available at this moment in W10 (unless using Netflix 4K and Edge), so that seems logical. Desktop resolution is set to 3840*2160/60Hz.

I would really like some more information because (after reading way too much info) I don't think 4K netflix streaming would be working because it needs HDCP2.2. Intel chip only outputs DisplayPort 1.2 which don't include HDCP2.2. The intel NUC have a HDMI 2.0 output because they used a LSPCON from megachips.
You can see a datasheet here : http://www.megachips.us/products/documen...abrief.pdf
On page 5 you can see that the only way this adapter adds HDCP2.2 protection to the displayport is when it's integrated to the motherboard. If it's external it's just a repeater, like the Parade PS176 chip which is used in the uptab adapter you bought. And being a reapeater, it can't repeat HDCP2.2 if the source DisplayPort don't have it.

Could you make a test with netflix 4K to see if it works?

It's impossible to say what will be needed for HDR with the intel platform, but it seems we at least need hdcp2.2 for 4K.

I'm still searching for an affordable kaby lake motherboard with the LSPCON chip. I don't seem to find any. The only one I found are the asrock fatality series (only some) and the cost is crazy expensive which means that it's nearly cheaper to buy a simple motherboard with an additional GPU nvidia 1050. (Crazy?!?)

I still want to find a motherboard so that in 5 years I can buy a gpu with new video features if needed.
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Btw, given that Kaby Lake supports Dolby Vision, does the OEM have to do anything in addition to enable DV? Say, if we were to get an Intel NUC, will it have both HDR10 and DV enabled?
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(2017-01-26, 22:59)kevmegforest Wrote:
(2017-01-19, 17:05)p750mmx Wrote: [cut]
I've ordered an G4560 and a Asrock Deskmini 110 and tested 3D/4K output by using a Uptab DP/HDMI2.0a adapter. The new Kaby Lake Pentium Hyper-treading series looks promising and so does the Deskmini, that is marginally bigger then some NUC's and lookalikes (size is like a standard ATX power-supply), but can be used with the "normal" desktop Sky- and Kaby Lake CPU's.

Edit: All seems well. Putting out very nice 4K (up to 60Hz) with all HD-Audio formats, through DislayPort 1.2 and 3D MVC is working very nicely also. Every video-format I tested is playing smooth with CPU load up to 30% for all the heavy stuff. No HDR though, but that isn't available at this moment in W10 (unless using Netflix 4K and Edge), so that seems logical. Desktop resolution is set to 3840*2160/60Hz.

I would really like some more information because (after reading way too much info) I don't think 4K netflix streaming would be working because it needs HDCP2.2. Intel chip only outputs DisplayPort 1.2 which don't include HDCP2.2. The intel NUC have a HDMI 2.0 output because they used a LSPCON from megachips.
You can see a datasheet here : http://www.megachips.us/products/documen...abrief.pdf
On page 5 you can see that the only way this adapter adds HDCP2.2 protection to the displayport is when it's integrated to the motherboard. If it's external it's just a repeater, like the Parade PS176 chip which is used in the uptab adapter you bought. And being a reapeater, it can't repeat HDCP2.2 if the source DisplayPort don't have it.

Could you make a test with netflix 4K to see if it works?

It's impossible to say what will be needed for HDR with the intel platform, but it seems we at least need hdcp2.2 for 4K.

I'm still searching for an affordable kaby lake motherboard with the LSPCON chip. I don't seem to find any. The only one I found are the asrock fatality series (only some) and the cost is crazy expensive which means that it's nearly cheaper to buy a simple motherboard with an additional GPU nvidia 1050. (Crazy?!?)

I still want to find a motherboard so that in 5 years I can buy a gpu with new video features if needed.
So.., I had to wait to get the new HDMI cables in to be sure that it would not be a cable issue.

Netflix 4K seems to be working when using Edge, in the last Insider Fast build of Windows 10 that is. No HDR output though.
When using the Video and TV app and selecting a HDR Demo file, the video starts with a green image, but after some time, the image pops up, but still no HDR (popup) visible.

I don't know for sure if my setup is enough to get the job done for HDR, there is doubt about that at this moment. Besides HDR all the other video stuff works great and that is satisfying. When looking at the specifications of the Uptap adapter, I thought this would (or could) be the solution for my setup, but I don't know. Video (and HD-audio) is working just fine, but for the finishing touch (HDR), still in the dark at this moment. Maybe it's still a bit to soon?
Kodi 19.1 Android/Google(TV) [ Shield TV Pro [64b] / Mi Box S [32b] / Mi Projector / Fire 4k TV stick / CC with Google TV ]
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(2017-01-27, 22:00)p750mmx Wrote:
(2017-01-26, 22:59)kevmegforest Wrote:
(2017-01-19, 17:05)p750mmx Wrote: [cut]
I've ordered an G4560 and a Asrock Deskmini 110 and tested 3D/4K output by using a Uptab DP/HDMI2.0a adapter. The new Kaby Lake Pentium Hyper-treading series looks promising and so does the Deskmini, that is marginally bigger then some NUC's and lookalikes (size is like a standard ATX power-supply), but can be used with the "normal" desktop Sky- and Kaby Lake CPU's.

Edit: All seems well. Putting out very nice 4K (up to 60Hz) with all HD-Audio formats, through DislayPort 1.2 and 3D MVC is working very nicely also. Every video-format I tested is playing smooth with CPU load up to 30% for all the heavy stuff. No HDR though, but that isn't available at this moment in W10 (unless using Netflix 4K and Edge), so that seems logical. Desktop resolution is set to 3840*2160/60Hz.

I would really like some more information because (after reading way too much info) I don't think 4K netflix streaming would be working because it needs HDCP2.2. Intel chip only outputs DisplayPort 1.2 which don't include HDCP2.2. The intel NUC have a HDMI 2.0 output because they used a LSPCON from megachips.
You can see a datasheet here : http://www.megachips.us/products/documen...abrief.pdf
On page 5 you can see that the only way this adapter adds HDCP2.2 protection to the displayport is when it's integrated to the motherboard. If it's external it's just a repeater, like the Parade PS176 chip which is used in the uptab adapter you bought. And being a reapeater, it can't repeat HDCP2.2 if the source DisplayPort don't have it.

Could you make a test with netflix 4K to see if it works?

It's impossible to say what will be needed for HDR with the intel platform, but it seems we at least need hdcp2.2 for 4K.

I'm still searching for an affordable kaby lake motherboard with the LSPCON chip. I don't seem to find any. The only one I found are the asrock fatality series (only some) and the cost is crazy expensive which means that it's nearly cheaper to buy a simple motherboard with an additional GPU nvidia 1050. (Crazy?!?)

I still want to find a motherboard so that in 5 years I can buy a gpu with new video features if needed.
So.., I had to wait to get the new HDMI cables in to be sure that it would not be a cable issue.

Netflix 4K seems to be working when using Edge, in the last Insider Fast build of Windows 10 that is. No HDR output though.
When using the Video and TV app and selecting a HDR Demo file, the video starts with a green image, but after some time, the image pops up, but still no HDR (popup) visible.

I don't know for sure if my setup is enough to get the job done for HDR, there is doubt about that at this moment. Besides HDR all the other video stuff works great and that is satisfying. When looking at the specifications of the Uptap adapter, I thought this would (or could) be the solution for my setup, but I don't know. Video (and HD-audio) is working just fine, but for the finishing touch (HDR), still in the dark at this moment. Maybe it's still a bit to soon?

Since you have a desktop Kaby Lake are you going to look into this?
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(2017-01-27, 23:44)movie78 Wrote:
(2017-01-27, 22:00)p750mmx Wrote:
(2017-01-26, 22:59)kevmegforest Wrote: I would really like some more information because (after reading way too much info) I don't think 4K netflix streaming would be working because it needs HDCP2.2. Intel chip only outputs DisplayPort 1.2 which don't include HDCP2.2. The intel NUC have a HDMI 2.0 output because they used a LSPCON from megachips.
You can see a datasheet here : http://www.megachips.us/products/documen...abrief.pdf
On page 5 you can see that the only way this adapter adds HDCP2.2 protection to the displayport is when it's integrated to the motherboard. If it's external it's just a repeater, like the Parade PS176 chip which is used in the uptab adapter you bought. And being a reapeater, it can't repeat HDCP2.2 if the source DisplayPort don't have it.

Could you make a test with netflix 4K to see if it works?

It's impossible to say what will be needed for HDR with the intel platform, but it seems we at least need hdcp2.2 for 4K.

I'm still searching for an affordable kaby lake motherboard with the LSPCON chip. I don't seem to find any. The only one I found are the asrock fatality series (only some) and the cost is crazy expensive which means that it's nearly cheaper to buy a simple motherboard with an additional GPU nvidia 1050. (Crazy?!?)

I still want to find a motherboard so that in 5 years I can buy a gpu with new video features if needed.
So.., I had to wait to get the new HDMI cables in to be sure that it would not be a cable issue.

Netflix 4K seems to be working when using Edge, in the last Insider Fast build of Windows 10 that is. No HDR output though.
When using the Video and TV app and selecting a HDR Demo file, the video starts with a green image, but after some time, the image pops up, but still no HDR (popup) visible.

I don't know for sure if my setup is enough to get the job done for HDR, there is doubt about that at this moment. Besides HDR all the other video stuff works great and that is satisfying. When looking at the specifications of the Uptap adapter, I thought this would (or could) be the solution for my setup, but I don't know. Video (and HD-audio) is working just fine, but for the finishing touch (HDR), still in the dark at this moment. Maybe it's still a bit to soon?

Since you have a desktop Kaby Lake are you going to look into this?
I saw that news today, but I can't place one of those drives in my current case, it's much to tiny Wink
I scratch my head when I look at the minimal CPU Kaby Lake specification for these UHD drives. Core i5, really?

On the positive side, it's cumming, slowly but cumming.
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Yeah I was surprised at the Core i5 spec.
If HEVC 10 bit decoding is supported in hardware then a Celeron should do!
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