Kodi's official DRM stance
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(2017-05-09, 15:28)RockerC Wrote:
(2017-05-09, 15:07)natethomas Wrote:
(2017-05-09, 14:25)bam80 Wrote: Thanks jjd-uk.
Can Inputstream Adaptive really act as the sandbox which protects us from tracking, etc. from CDM side? Don't we need to make some sort of such sandbox additionally?
If you use an addon like Netflix, I'm fairly certain Netflix is going to track your usage of their content. No sandboxing will stop that. Or are you asking something different?
The EME implementation in Chrome/Firefox is sandboxed so that the CDM Netflix uses does get a unique ID for the sandbox, but the sandbox ID is anonomized so that Netflix can not dig deeper than the sandbox to figure out who owns the computer that Chrome/Firefox is running on, or exactly which hardware you have.

The sandbox is only there for privacy in the practical sence that Netflix will for example not be able to access your web browser cookies or search history. Netflix will not be able to see what content you watch on HBO and vice versa, and nither Netflix or HBO will be able to check if you have any illegally (or legally) downloaded movies on your computer as they can not see anything outsiode their own sandbox.

Netflix as a service will still off-source force you to login so they know which user account is used and on the server-side they can see how many active sessions that user currently have. And as the EME sandbox is not a VPN service the IP-adress thay they stream to will tell Netflix roughly where you are located as long as your internet provider does not provide any location-anonymization service on its own.

Because of the sandbox Netflix will only be able to track what content you watch on Netflix, but that is because you are logged in to Netflix service with your Netflix user-account and stream the content from Netflix servers.

Due to F.U.D. (Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt ) I think most people against DRM fear that Netflix and other content providers can somehow spy on what other content users consume on the same computer which you watch Netflix on with DRM and then worse that Netflix could somehow even activly through DRM stop you from playing non-DRM content if they find something copyrighted on your computer.

I believe that the sandbox that EME implements was partially invented to relieve those types of fears.

Some of the FUD may come from the fact that Edge's DRM hooks deep into the Windows kernel. At the same time, Netflix rewards Microsoft by permitting up to 4k video (with the hardware DRM in a Kaby Lake or newer CPU) output. The Chrome and Firefox CDMs are due to them being detached from the browser and system restricted to 720p output (even though on my Kaby Lake system I can stream 8k video on YouTube in Chrome) - when chatting with Netflix they make the fraudulent claim that it is a lack of browser support that restricts the resolution.

Mozilla actually proposed a better idea, and with the increasing market for rackmount hardware encoders, could actually be practical - inject a digital watermark into the stream so anyone who would redistribute the content can be identified.
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Kodi's official DRM stance - by h.udo - 2017-04-24, 12:05
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by wgstarks - 2017-04-24, 13:58
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by Oddsodz - 2017-04-24, 15:04
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by jjd-uk - 2017-04-24, 16:21
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-25, 12:37
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by peppe_sr - 2017-04-24, 15:29
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by h.udo - 2017-04-25, 00:04
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by asplundj - 2017-04-25, 11:09
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-25, 12:25
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by mwaterbu - 2017-04-25, 13:45
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-25, 14:42
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by asplundj - 2017-04-25, 14:45
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-25, 15:15
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by asplundj - 2017-04-26, 08:37
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by giss73 - 2017-04-25, 13:58
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by arucard - 2017-04-25, 14:33
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by h.udo - 2017-04-25, 16:18
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by mack4999 - 2017-04-25, 16:49
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by Oddsodz - 2017-04-25, 21:18
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-26, 17:01
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by ntlord - 2017-04-25, 21:41
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by garretn - 2017-04-26, 00:09
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by justin150 - 2017-07-21, 12:24
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by BFeely - 2017-04-26, 17:24
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by h.udo - 2017-04-26, 23:44
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by _novalis - 2017-04-26, 16:14
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by cguZZMan - 2017-04-27, 03:51
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by mrwookie - 2017-04-27, 13:21
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-27, 16:13
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by BFeely - 2017-04-27, 17:16
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-04-28, 08:31
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by Ferk - 2017-04-27, 19:34
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by BFeely - 2017-04-29, 20:46
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by ashlar - 2017-05-02, 16:13
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by Gregoire - 2017-05-06, 11:24
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by asplundj - 2017-05-08, 09:29
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by jjd-uk - 2017-04-30, 09:45
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by bam80 - 2017-05-09, 14:25
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by RockerC - 2017-05-09, 15:28
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by BFeely - 2017-07-19, 18:27
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by AvalPlaza - 2017-04-28, 14:31
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by justin150 - 2017-04-28, 20:44
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by ashlar - 2017-05-02, 16:10
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by kimkl - 2017-05-04, 04:31
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by kimkl - 2017-05-04, 04:57
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by h.udo - 2017-05-04, 10:02
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by bam80 - 2017-05-08, 18:56
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by jjd-uk - 2017-05-09, 13:06
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by jjd-uk - 2017-05-09, 15:04
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by jjd-uk - 2017-05-09, 15:49
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by bam80 - 2017-05-09, 16:10
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by locoguano - 2017-07-18, 04:47
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by nickr - 2017-10-11, 09:01
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by nIGhT-SoN - 2017-10-12, 16:37
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by ashlar - 2017-10-15, 15:14
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by thusgaard - 2017-10-22, 20:49
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by nickr - 2017-10-23, 00:28
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by Gregoire - 2017-11-01, 15:52
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by wsnipex - 2017-11-01, 18:48
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by Gregoire - 2017-11-04, 00:47
RE: Kodi's official DRM stance - by jo_yo - 2018-12-17, 12:42
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