Kodi needs to go commercial

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mchp92 Offline
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To whom this may concern:
Commerce and technical perfection are mutually exclusive.

Lets quit this nonsense thread. Kodi is not commercial. Is should not and will not. End of story.
Make one yourself and sell it if you persist in your exploitation views. We are all happy to watch how that goes.

Best of luck.
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However since anybody who has ever contributed code retains the copyright on that code, my understanding is that if they don't like the commercial exploitation of Kodi they could ask for their code to be removed, or have I misunderstood their copyright rights under GPL?
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(2017-07-13 19:14)mchp92 Wrote:  Kodi should NOT become a commercial product. Not becoz i wouldnt wana pay a few bucks for it. But because kodi would then likely become the umpteenth case of a brilliant product (conceived by a bunch of tech guys who just wana make the best of breed), becoming screwed over 10 times coz a band of marketing aholes wanna use every feature to squeeze the living daylights out of the user base. That would kill it. Nobody wants kodi to answer to a shareholder. Kodi needs to answer to its users only
Well said

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(2017-07-15 14:19)jjd-uk Wrote:  However since anybody who has ever contributed code retains the copyright on that code, my understanding is that if they don't like the commercial exploitation of Kodi they could ask for their code to be removed, or have I misunderstood their copyright rights under GPL?

I don't think so. The possible commercialisation is part of the license they agreed their code to be released under.
As far as I know, practically, the only right the copyright holder actually has is to prevent a license change on his code.
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(2017-07-14 02:41)MetalChris Wrote:  
(2017-07-14 00:06)Mercury Wrote:  i have a hard time believing that i'm the only one who wouldn't welcome more streamlined integration with streaming services like netflix, and the Kodi library, even if i'm the only one on this thread apparently ;-)

You're not the only one. I'd like to be able to ditch my Roku and use Kodi for Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc. But as has been stated, those companies don't really want to be part of Kodi. They want you to use their app, on their chosen platforms only. Perhaps in the future this might change, but for now, this is where we are.

This I believe is the main point why a "commercial" Kodi wouldn't be some breakthrough OP wants. The streaming business model is based on locking the user into a platform so that ads can be pushed to or personal data pulled from the user (if the content is free you are the content). There's no incentive for streamers to lose control over the front-end to Kodi, open source or commercial.

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(2017-07-15 14:19)jjd-uk Wrote:  However since anybody who has ever contributed code retains the copyright on that code, my understanding is that if they don't like the commercial exploitation of Kodi they could ask for their code to be removed, or have I misunderstood their copyright rights under GPL?

no, as long as the GPL is being followed. Did you see any code removed from plex or mrmc because authors asked for it?
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The Op's argument makes NO sense.
There are already choices out there for a paid for home theater media software....Just to name a few...but Plex, JRiver, MrMc are all commercial products....go try one of those and come back and let us know if there are any issues with them.


Just because a product is commercialized certainly doesn't mean it will be perfect.
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even with a commercial Kodi version and added support for Netflix and Prime, you would NOT be able to integrate the Netflix library into your local one or use your skin of choice to browse Netflix, because those companies want to be in control and thus force a certain UI on you, perform whatever user tracking and analytics in the brackground and what not. So the only chance to get what you actually want (all content in one library) is the non-commercial open source way.

And paying somebody to implement a certain feature is not forbidden in any way. I would just be nice if this work would find it's way back to the Kodi source code so that all can benefit from this work.
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Also think about adding netflix to your library. netflix pick up new stuff and drop other stuff off all the time.

How do you incorporate this into your library? You'd have to scan their ENTIRE movie and TV collection at regular intervals to ensure what is in your Kodi library actually reflects what is actually available.

I mean there is enough crap on these forums to deal with without adding "my library says movie X is available through netflix but it doesn't work when I click on it."

"Yeah they deleted it"

"But it's in my kodi library"

etc etc.

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(2017-07-17 10:05)da-anda Wrote:  even with a commercial Kodi version and added support for Netflix and Prime, you would NOT be able to integrate the Netflix library into your local one or use your skin of choice to browse Netflix, because those companies want to be in control and thus force a certain UI on you, perform whatever user tracking and analytics in the brackground and what not.

I was about to object to this until I got to this:

(2017-07-17 10:05)da-anda Wrote:  So the only chance to get what you actually want (all content in one library) is the non-commercial open source way.

And then I was like, "Oh, right, yes, exactly." Smile
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mchp92 Offline
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So whats ur point?
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(2017-07-16 01:29)scott967 Wrote:  
(2017-07-14 02:41)MetalChris Wrote:  
(2017-07-14 00:06)Mercury Wrote:  i have a hard time believing that i'm the only one who wouldn't welcome more streamlined integration with streaming services like netflix, and the Kodi library, even if i'm the only one on this thread apparently ;-)

You're not the only one. I'd like to be able to ditch my Roku and use Kodi for Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc. But as has been stated, those companies don't really want to be part of Kodi. They want you to use their app, on their chosen platforms only. Perhaps in the future this might change, but for now, this is where we are.

This I believe is the main point why a "commercial" Kodi wouldn't be some breakthrough OP wants. The streaming business model is based on locking the user into a platform so that ads can be pushed to or personal data pulled from the user (if the content is free you are the content). There's no incentive for streamers to lose control over the front-end to Kodi, open source or commercial.

scott s.
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It makes sense from a business standpoint for streaming services to push their own front-end instead of outsourcing to Kodi, or even supporting Kodi implementing it on their own. Businesses want to control the asset OR they want to partner up with a liable party to do it for them if they feel they can get the edge in that way. No sensible business would partner up with an open source platform because there is no way to control that asset.

What I "think" would be beneficial, is a front end based on Kodi, that can be commercialized and that can partner up with streaming services already out there, and be liable to it's partners. Kodi is just a piece of software, to be a real "product" it need to be bundled with content and hardware. Plug and play. Even if you DO allow for the option for people to use their own hardware, and their own content, the mainstream markets will want plug and play.

Just to be clear here... I love Kodi, I've been using and toying around with Kodi for years, if i thought there was something better out there i could pay to have, I would just buy it, but there isn't. Nothing would please me more than to see a plug and play product that actually does what people generally want, based on Kodi. I'm not a contributor to Kodi for lack of skill and time, but I would like to find a way to get Kodi out there, being a true player in the market. I know others are doing this, I also know many of them are doing so illegally, and that fact alone insures that they will never scale their products to actually be recognized as a major player in the market, and basically just end up giving Kodi a bad rep.

I would also like to stress that, contrary to popular opinion, my main motivation is NOT to bank on the Kodi devteam's effort. My main motivation is to make Kodi better by making it the best, most user friendly and headache free experience as humanly possible. And that requires maintenance, liability, people being "on call", and leverage in the market to close deals and form partnerships, in short, it requires money, more money than anyone would have to spend on something that can't be self sustaining, so it needs to be self sustaining, it needs to be commercial.

So my question boils down to this... CAN someone bundle a modified version of Kodi with a plug and play product and a streaming based subscription service, or can't one? Can the front end still be called Kodi, as in "powered by Kodi" or can't it?
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No it can't. Please read the trademark policy.

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The Code is Free, the Name (Brand) and Reputation, Priceless.
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(2017-07-21 01:58)LongMan Wrote:  The Code is Free, the Name (Brand) and Reputation, Priceless.

I mean... I'd consider talking to someone if they offered us 100 million dollars for the name... Smile
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