Win Graphic card issue (refresh rate)
#1
Hi,


I have an HTPC with an i3-8100 connected to my TV through HDMI. I'm having issues with freezes and I think the problem is with resolution change so I tried with my PC GTX 1060 3GB (before buying a GT1030 or a Radeon similar to it).

I had no problems with 1080p movies, they change to 24p without problems, but with TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz Kodi doesn't chage my TV to 24p so I get 1080p, 60Hz on the TV and I have judder.

I read that there's a problem with Nvidia and the refresh rate change. Is there any of these issues with Radeon cards?

Thanks.
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#2
(2020-05-22, 12:20)Mutenroy74 Wrote: Hi,


I have an HTPC with an i3-8100 connected to my TV through HDMI. I'm having issues with freezes and I think the problem is with resolution change so I tried with my PC GTX 1060 3GB (before buying a GT1030 or a Radeon similar to it).

I had no problems with 1080p movies, they change to 24p without problems, but with TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz Kodi doesn't chage my TV to 24p so I get 1080p, 60Hz on the TV and I have judder.

I read that there's a problem with Nvidia and the refresh rate change. Is there any of these issues with Radeon cards?

Thanks.

How are your TV shows sourced?  Can you post a MediaInfo for one of them?

What are your whitelist settings?
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#3
(2020-05-22, 12:39)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 12:20)Mutenroy74 Wrote: Hi,


I have an HTPC with an i3-8100 connected to my TV through HDMI. I'm having issues with freezes and I think the problem is with resolution change so I tried with my PC GTX 1060 3GB (before buying a GT1030 or a Radeon similar to it).

I had no problems with 1080p movies, they change to 24p without problems, but with TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz Kodi doesn't chage my TV to 24p so I get 1080p, 60Hz on the TV and I have judder.

I read that there's a problem with Nvidia and the refresh rate change. Is there any of these issues with Radeon cards?

Thanks.

How are your TV shows sourced?  Can you post a MediaInfo for one of them?

What are your whitelist settings? 
Hi,

For example:
[Image: GV3yQBY.png]
Regarding the whitelist, I don't use it.

Cheers.
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#4
(2020-05-22, 13:15)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 12:39)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 12:20)Mutenroy74 Wrote: Hi,


I have an HTPC with an i3-8100 connected to my TV through HDMI. I'm having issues with freezes and I think the problem is with resolution change so I tried with my PC GTX 1060 3GB (before buying a GT1030 or a Radeon similar to it).

I had no problems with 1080p movies, they change to 24p without problems, but with TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz Kodi doesn't chage my TV to 24p so I get 1080p, 60Hz on the TV and I have judder.

I read that there's a problem with Nvidia and the refresh rate change. Is there any of these issues with Radeon cards?

Thanks.

How are your TV shows sourced?  Can you post a MediaInfo for one of them?

What are your whitelist settings?  
Hi,

For example:
[Image: GV3yQBY.png]
Regarding the whitelist, I don't use it.

Cheers. 
OK - so those seem to be native 23.976p.

What happens if you try to whitelist suitable modes?
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#5
(2020-05-22, 13:15)Mutenroy74 Wrote: Regarding the whitelist, I don't use it.

A debug log (wiki) is much more useful than a MediaInfo screenshot.

Also, the iGPU in the i3-8100 should be able to handle 98% of all the 'simple stuff', no need for an extra discrete GPU.
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#6
(2020-05-22, 13:17)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:15)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 12:39)noggin Wrote: How are your TV shows sourced?  Can you post a MediaInfo for one of them?

What are your whitelist settings?  
Hi,

For example:
[Image: GV3yQBY.png]
Regarding the whitelist, I don't use it.

Cheers.  
OK - so those seem to be native 23.976p.

What happens if you try to whitelist suitable modes? 
I don't know. I have my GTX back in my PC and it's connected to a HD TV (1360x768). I tried there and I don't have 1280x720, 23,976Hz available in this TV. I only could activate 1080p (60, 50 & 23,976Hz) and 720p (60 & 50Hz).

Should I activate all these settings in whitelist?
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#7
(2020-05-22, 13:20)Klojum Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:15)Mutenroy74 Wrote: Regarding the whitelist, I don't use it.

A debug log (wiki) is much more useful than a MediaInfo screenshot.

Also, the iGPU in the i3-8100 should be able to handle 98% of all the 'simple stuff', no need for an extra discrete GPU. 
I only play 1080p and 720p and it runs smoothly with the iGPU, but lately I had some freezes so I was wondering if a discrete card would solve it.

I asked before in this thread: 354299 (thread)
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#8
(2020-05-22, 13:26)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:17)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:15)Mutenroy74 Wrote: Hi,

For example:
[Image: GV3yQBY.png]
Regarding the whitelist, I don't use it.

Cheers.  
OK - so those seem to be native 23.976p.

What happens if you try to whitelist suitable modes?   
I don't know. I have my GTX back in my PC and it's connected to a HD TV (1360x768). I tried there and I don't have 1280x720, 23,976Hz available in this TV. I only could activate 1080p (60, 50 & 23,976Hz) and 720p (60 & 50Hz).

Should I activate all these settings in whitelist?  
If you disable the 720p modes what happens - and yes a debug log would be useful?

And as others have said - any recent core-i series CPU with an iGPU should handle MPEG2, VC-1 and h.264/AVC at up to 1080p with no issues.  (Even Haswell Celerons as in the old Chromeboxes do that without breaking a sweat)
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#9
(2020-05-22, 13:46)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:26)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:17)noggin Wrote: OK - so those seem to be native 23.976p.

What happens if you try to whitelist suitable modes?   
I don't know. I have my GTX back in my PC and it's connected to a HD TV (1360x768). I tried there and I don't have 1280x720, 23,976Hz available in this TV. I only could activate 1080p (60, 50 & 23,976Hz) and 720p (60 & 50Hz).

Should I activate all these settings in whitelist?   
If you disable the 720p modes what happens - and yes a debug log would be useful?

And as others have said - any recent core-i series CPU with an iGPU should handle MPEG2, VC-1 and h.264/AVC at up to 1080p with no issues.  (Even Haswell Celerons as in the old Chromeboxes do that without breaking a sweat) 
So, I don't need external card. Any idea about the logs I upload in the other thread?
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#10
(2020-05-22, 13:52)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:46)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:26)Mutenroy74 Wrote: I don't know. I have my GTX back in my PC and it's connected to a HD TV (1360x768). I tried there and I don't have 1280x720, 23,976Hz available in this TV. I only could activate 1080p (60, 50 & 23,976Hz) and 720p (60 & 50Hz).

Should I activate all these settings in whitelist?   
If you disable the 720p modes what happens - and yes a debug log would be useful?

And as others have said - any recent core-i series CPU with an iGPU should handle MPEG2, VC-1 and h.264/AVC at up to 1080p with no issues.  (Even Haswell Celerons as in the old Chromeboxes do that without breaking a sweat)  
So, I don't need external card. Any idea about the logs I upload in the other thread? 
I think I've solved it removing from whitelist 1280x720, 60Hz. Now the TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz are played at 1080p, 23,976Hz. I hope this stops the freezes as well. If not, I quit.
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#11
(2020-05-22, 23:00)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:52)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:46)noggin Wrote: If you disable the 720p modes what happens - and yes a debug log would be useful?

And as others have said - any recent core-i series CPU with an iGPU should handle MPEG2, VC-1 and h.264/AVC at up to 1080p with no issues.  (Even Haswell Celerons as in the old Chromeboxes do that without breaking a sweat)  
So, I don't need external card. Any idea about the logs I upload in the other thread?  
I think I've solved it removing from whitelist 1280x720, 60Hz. Now the TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz are played at 1080p, 23,976Hz. I hope this stops the freezes as well. If not, I quit. 

That may explain it.  I guess Kodi prioritises resolution rather than refresh rate when choosing the correct whitelisted display mode? (I wonder if this is an option somewhere - lots of displays don't have a 720p24 mode, just 720p50 and 720p60, with 1080p24 the first 24fps mode supported)
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#12
(2020-05-23, 12:27)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 23:00)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 13:52)Mutenroy74 Wrote: So, I don't need external card. Any idea about the logs I upload in the other thread?  
I think I've solved it removing from whitelist 1280x720, 60Hz. Now the TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz are played at 1080p, 23,976Hz. I hope this stops the freezes as well. If not, I quit.   

That may explain it.  I guess Kodi prioritises resolution rather than refresh rate when choosing the correct whitelisted display mode? (I wonder if this is an option somewhere - lots of displays don't have a 720p24 mode, just 720p50 and 720p60, with 1080p24 the first 24fps mode supported)  
According to the article I got the idea from, when Kodi doesn't found a resolution in the whitelist, it tries to choose the next one with the same fps. They also recomend not to whitelist 720p, 60Hz to avoid Kodi select it if 720p, 24p is not avaliable.

Anyway, here is the full article in case someone need help with the whitelist:
Guide to Kodi whitelist

Cheers,
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#13
(2020-05-24, 15:40)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-23, 12:27)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-22, 23:00)Mutenroy74 Wrote: I think I've solved it removing from whitelist 1280x720, 60Hz. Now the TVShows 720p, 23,976Hz are played at 1080p, 23,976Hz. I hope this stops the freezes as well. If not, I quit.   

That may explain it.  I guess Kodi prioritises resolution rather than refresh rate when choosing the correct whitelisted display mode? (I wonder if this is an option somewhere - lots of displays don't have a 720p24 mode, just 720p50 and 720p60, with 1080p24 the first 24fps mode supported)   
According to the article I got the idea from, when Kodi doesn't found a resolution in the whitelist, it tries to choose the next one with the same fps. They also recomend not to whitelist 720p, 60Hz to avoid Kodi select it if 720p, 24p is not avaliable.

Anyway, here is the full article in case someone need help with the whitelist:
Guide to Kodi whitelist

Cheers, 

That's OK unless you watch 720p59.94 TV I guess. (i.e. ABC and Fox OTA)
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#14
(2020-05-24, 23:23)noggin Wrote:
(2020-05-24, 15:40)Mutenroy74 Wrote:
(2020-05-23, 12:27)noggin Wrote: That may explain it.  I guess Kodi prioritises resolution rather than refresh rate when choosing the correct whitelisted display mode? (I wonder if this is an option somewhere - lots of displays don't have a 720p24 mode, just 720p50 and 720p60, with 1080p24 the first 24fps mode supported)   
According to the article I got the idea from, when Kodi doesn't found a resolution in the whitelist, it tries to choose the next one with the same fps. They also recomend not to whitelist 720p, 60Hz to avoid Kodi select it if 720p, 24p is not avaliable.

Anyway, here is the full article in case someone need help with the whitelist:
Guide to Kodi whitelist

Cheers,  

That's OK unless you watch 720p59.94 TV I guess. (i.e. ABC and Fox OTA) 
I just watch movies 1080p23.976 and TVShows 720p23.976 or 720p25 (UK).
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