(2020-07-29, 15:56)Shredder_guitar Wrote:Ok, I got it to scrape the metascore and show it as preferred rating in tmm. I was able to have it rename files with this too, which is what I wanted. I'm assuming for it to show the meta rating in kodi, you need to have a skin that is displaying that. How does the NFO work? Like is everything that is in tmm as far as scraped and edited information all being copied into the NFO ? There don't seem to be too many settings for nfo, so I'm assuming it is as straightforward as this?(2020-07-28, 17:10)Pdubbbs Wrote: Hi, I would like to join the effort in incorporating Metacritic ratings, if you guys can get me caught up to where you are. At this point I cant even find where I can get tmm to scrape for metacritic rating. Originally I just wanted to get it to incorporate that score into the filename, but I am open to keeping folders for movies and putting it all into nfo's like you are doing. I also use kodi, but am not that concerned with having it displayed in there at this time. Thanks, look forward to using metacritic rating, as all my movies I usually get based on that, so would be nice to filter by it.
The Metascore can be written to the NFO file if you use the TMM scraper and set the Rating option to use the OMDBAPI
(2020-07-30, 17:25)Shredder_guitar Wrote: If you're using Universal Media Scraper...according to the docs, Kodi scrapes local data first, then goes out to the interwebs to scrape metadata (depending on your config of the scraper). I use Aeon MQ8 modded currently, It pulls in metacritic info automatically from the time that data was first queried and written to the NFO, but if you want the latest info from the source you'll have to manually reload via the context menu from within kodi. I have to do this currently for Rotten tomato scores because TMM doesn't know how to write that info the the NFO file.....hopefully that's being put in the works.
(2020-07-30, 19:24)Pdubbbs Wrote:(2020-07-30, 17:25)Shredder_guitar Wrote: If you're using Universal Media Scraper...according to the docs, Kodi scrapes local data first, then goes out to the interwebs to scrape metadata (depending on your config of the scraper). I use Aeon MQ8 modded currently, It pulls in metacritic info automatically from the time that data was first queried and written to the NFO, but if you want the latest info from the source you'll have to manually reload via the context menu from within kodi. I have to do this currently for Rotten tomato scores because TMM doesn't know how to write that info the the NFO file.....hopefully that's being put in the works.
so, if you re-scraped in tmm, wouldn't it update the ratings? Then it's just a matter of having kodi update its data, which I'm still trying to understand, I've been deleted movies on kodi, and then it would re-add it, with updated info. I will take a look at that reload feature in the context menu. I have actually disabled that kodi does any scraping, so that I can see 100% results of what Im doing in tmm. In theory, if one is mastering tmm, and having all the folders with nfo and artwork, then there is no need for kodi to do any further scraping on its own. especially when kodi does this, it doesn't go into that movie folder but its own database? So if I wanted to share my movies, they wouldn't be the up to date version I would have been used to on kodi?
(2020-07-31, 06:12)Shredder_guitar Wrote:(2020-07-30, 19:24)Pdubbbs Wrote:(2020-07-30, 17:25)Shredder_guitar Wrote: If you're using Universal Media Scraper...according to the docs, Kodi scrapes local data first, then goes out to the interwebs to scrape metadata (depending on your config of the scraper). I use Aeon MQ8 modded currently, It pulls in metacritic info automatically from the time that data was first queried and written to the NFO, but if you want the latest info from the source you'll have to manually reload via the context menu from within kodi. I have to do this currently for Rotten tomato scores because TMM doesn't know how to write that info the the NFO file.....hopefully that's being put in the works.
so, if you re-scraped in tmm, wouldn't it update the ratings? Then it's just a matter of having kodi update its data, which I'm still trying to understand, I've been deleted movies on kodi, and then it would re-add it, with updated info. I will take a look at that reload feature in the context menu. I have actually disabled that kodi does any scraping, so that I can see 100% results of what Im doing in tmm. In theory, if one is mastering tmm, and having all the folders with nfo and artwork, then there is no need for kodi to do any further scraping on its own. especially when kodi does this, it doesn't go into that movie folder but its own database? So if I wanted to share my movies, they wouldn't be the up to date version I would have been used to on kodi?
I tried the local data only approach first also, the issue is that many skins, by design, are built to use underlying services like the skin helper service and the extended info service that use a movies IMDB id or TMDB id to query movie from the internet to get the latest possible info. You can absolutely use local data only for a lot of things (artwork, some metadata) ...but in my experience, it only gets you so far. But it all boils down to what skin/setup you're using and how much up-to-date info about the movie you're wanting.
Another benefit to using TMM is that some skins (i just recently found this out) require items like media source type, resolution type, audio format, to be in the name to be properly flagged inside of Kodi. As far as naming conventions go, I think it's ugly to have all that info in a file name, but it serves a functional purpose inside of Kodi.
Here is my current naming scheme if you're wanting to do something similar
In my own mind, I use TMM now as a "starting point" so-to-speak to make sure that the correct movie is recognized by kodi and a "break glass in case of emergency" method in case i have to start all over again inside of kodi, I know that with NFO files if i have to rebuild the DB all over again from scratch, Kodi will scrape the correct movie every time because that information has already been hard coded to an NFO.
(2020-07-31, 16:35)Pdubbbs Wrote:you CAAAANNNNN break the artwork out into a seperate folder...thought about doing that myself....but you would need to tell the scraper where the artwork is and to also put the new artwork there. I chose not to do this because it adds an extra layer of complexity to my already seemingly over complicated environment. I'm not even going to begin to breakdown the process i go through for what a single movie goes through from start to finish... but i will tell you that i have it completely automated to the point where i can walk away from it and the most i have to do is chose the movies i want.(2020-07-31, 06:12)Shredder_guitar Wrote:(2020-07-30, 19:24)Pdubbbs Wrote: so, if you re-scraped in tmm, wouldn't it update the ratings? Then it's just a matter of having kodi update its data, which I'm still trying to understand, I've been deleted movies on kodi, and then it would re-add it, with updated info. I will take a look at that reload feature in the context menu. I have actually disabled that kodi does any scraping, so that I can see 100% results of what Im doing in tmm. In theory, if one is mastering tmm, and having all the folders with nfo and artwork, then there is no need for kodi to do any further scraping on its own. especially when kodi does this, it doesn't go into that movie folder but its own database? So if I wanted to share my movies, they wouldn't be the up to date version I would have been used to on kodi?
I tried the local data only approach first also, the issue is that many skins, by design, are built to use underlying services like the skin helper service and the extended info service that use a movies IMDB id or TMDB id to query movie from the internet to get the latest possible info. You can absolutely use local data only for a lot of things (artwork, some metadata) ...but in my experience, it only gets you so far. But it all boils down to what skin/setup you're using and how much up-to-date info about the movie you're wanting.
Another benefit to using TMM is that some skins (i just recently found this out) require items like media source type, resolution type, audio format, to be in the name to be properly flagged inside of Kodi. As far as naming conventions go, I think it's ugly to have all that info in a file name, but it serves a functional purpose inside of Kodi.
Here is my current naming scheme if you're wanting to do something similar
In my own mind, I use TMM now as a "starting point" so-to-speak to make sure that the correct movie is recognized by kodi and a "break glass in case of emergency" method in case i have to start all over again inside of kodi, I know that with NFO files if i have to rebuild the DB all over again from scratch, Kodi will scrape the correct movie every time because that information has already been hard coded to an NFO.
In the last month I've come a long way too. I had all my movies with no folders or anything just bare "What's Eating Gilbert Grape.mkv", and Im on mac, so for the comment of the file I added the year. Put I realized that putting the year in for every new movie manually is a hassle, and if I ever switched to windows, I would loose that comment column info.
So now I have it as "All or Nothing (2002) 1080p EAC3 (72.0)" and same as you all the folders, nfo, artwork etc. I can also add the subtitles srt to this if the movie is missing it. With my single file ocd, I had to remux the mkv to add the srt, which is a hassle. The 72 is the metascore, which the majority of my movies have, if not I fallback on the imdb score.
Like you mentioned, I see the benefit of only having to do that initial search and scrape once. I have movies in cold storage, so transfer movies every few months into local storage, so my kodi library is always somewhat temporary. I also like to share my collection. So having to search,match,scrape every time the movie is being utilized would be a hassle.
Since I need to redo my entire 3K movie collection, I am trying to understand every aspect of tmm, and kodi, and how it all works, so I do it right the first time. I don't think I have it in me to have to do a second go!
I will do what you do, and add the Video Codec, will be good to know what that is, because I could see me replacing all my h264, once we get to h266 or h267 ;P
Not sure if I care so much about blu ray vs. web dl. Can usually tell that based on the audio codec being dts or eac3.
Im assuming that all the artwork needs to be as files, in the same folder as the mkv to work in kodi or other programs? I was thinking I could have an artwork subfolder, so that when I'm in the movie folder I would have the mkv,nfo,srt,and art work folder. Might make it a bit cleaner.
(2020-07-31, 18:45)Shredder_guitar Wrote:Thanks for sharing you're set up, thats pretty impressive. I have 90% of my movies in cold storage, trying to preserve the life of the hard drives as long as possible, if that is even possible, but I will try it this way and see if I can get 10 years out of them versus the standard 5 years. So I just have a temporary HDD with around 100 movies loaded into kodi, then I just delete them as I watch them, keep the good ones and transfer to cold storage once a month, rinse and repeat, but it sure would be nice to have the entire 3K+ movie collection loaded into kodi and being able to watch any movie you feel like.(2020-07-31, 16:35)Pdubbbs Wrote:you CAAAANNNNN break the artwork out into a seperate folder...thought about doing that myself....but you would need to tell the scraper where the artwork is and to also put the new artwork there. I chose not to do this because it adds an extra layer of complexity to my already seemingly over complicated environment. I'm not even going to begin to breakdown the process i go through for what a single movie goes through from start to finish... but i will tell you that i have it completely automated to the point where i can walk away from it and the most i have to do is chose the movies i want.(2020-07-31, 06:12)Shredder_guitar Wrote: I tried the local data only approach first also, the issue is that many skins, by design, are built to use underlying services like the skin helper service and the extended info service that use a movies IMDB id or TMDB id to query movie from the internet to get the latest possible info. You can absolutely use local data only for a lot of things (artwork, some metadata) ...but in my experience, it only gets you so far. But it all boils down to what skin/setup you're using and how much up-to-date info about the movie you're wanting.
Another benefit to using TMM is that some skins (i just recently found this out) require items like media source type, resolution type, audio format, to be in the name to be properly flagged inside of Kodi. As far as naming conventions go, I think it's ugly to have all that info in a file name, but it serves a functional purpose inside of Kodi.
Here is my current naming scheme if you're wanting to do something similar
In my own mind, I use TMM now as a "starting point" so-to-speak to make sure that the correct movie is recognized by kodi and a "break glass in case of emergency" method in case i have to start all over again inside of kodi, I know that with NFO files if i have to rebuild the DB all over again from scratch, Kodi will scrape the correct movie every time because that information has already been hard coded to an NFO.
In the last month I've come a long way too. I had all my movies with no folders or anything just bare "What's Eating Gilbert Grape.mkv", and Im on mac, so for the comment of the file I added the year. Put I realized that putting the year in for every new movie manually is a hassle, and if I ever switched to windows, I would loose that comment column info.
So now I have it as "All or Nothing (2002) 1080p EAC3 (72.0)" and same as you all the folders, nfo, artwork etc. I can also add the subtitles srt to this if the movie is missing it. With my single file ocd, I had to remux the mkv to add the srt, which is a hassle. The 72 is the metascore, which the majority of my movies have, if not I fallback on the imdb score.
Like you mentioned, I see the benefit of only having to do that initial search and scrape once. I have movies in cold storage, so transfer movies every few months into local storage, so my kodi library is always somewhat temporary. I also like to share my collection. So having to search,match,scrape every time the movie is being utilized would be a hassle.
Since I need to redo my entire 3K movie collection, I am trying to understand every aspect of tmm, and kodi, and how it all works, so I do it right the first time. I don't think I have it in me to have to do a second go!
I will do what you do, and add the Video Codec, will be good to know what that is, because I could see me replacing all my h264, once we get to h266 or h267 ;P
Not sure if I care so much about blu ray vs. web dl. Can usually tell that based on the audio codec being dts or eac3.
Im assuming that all the artwork needs to be as files, in the same folder as the mkv to work in kodi or other programs? I was thinking I could have an artwork subfolder, so that when I'm in the movie folder I would have the mkv,nfo,srt,and art work folder. Might make it a bit cleaner.
i enjoy seeing the color cases...kinda like being at a physical movie rental store, I primarily use the cases and the tags at the bottom of the screen to identify the characteristics of the movie im going to watch
If you are wanting to do movie sets, you DO have to break out the artwork into a seperate directory and tell artwork beef where it is
If you use the Aeon MQ8 mod skin, you can get results like this which is the fruit of scraping proper data
(2020-08-01, 14:31)Pdubbbs Wrote:I hope you automate that...that sounds like a lot of extra work. But to be fair, to each their own. If that works for you, good on ya. I'm far to busy for that amount of granularity with data migration. I'm super close to getting my entire media collection to the point where i can walk away from it completely, movies, music, tv shows, video games, all of it. And finally just enjoy what i've built (hopefully)....................then when it breaks i'll have to learn what i did all over again lmao! ahhhhh the cycle.(2020-07-31, 18:45)Shredder_guitar Wrote:Thanks for sharing you're set up, thats pretty impressive. I have 90% of my movies in cold storage, trying to preserve the life of the hard drives as long as possible, if that is even possible, but I will try it this way and see if I can get 10 years out of them versus the standard 5 years. So I just have a temporary HDD with around 100 movies loaded into kodi, then I just delete them as I watch them, keep the good ones and transfer to cold storage once a month, rinse and repeat, but it sure would be nice to have the entire 3K+ movie collection loaded into kodi and being able to watch any movie you feel like.(2020-07-31, 16:35)Pdubbbs Wrote: In the last month I've come a long way too. I had all my movies with no folders or anything just bare "What's Eating Gilbert Grape.mkv", and Im on mac, so for the comment of the file I added the year. Put I realized that putting the year in for every new movie manually is a hassle, and if I ever switched to windows, I would loose that comment column info.you CAAAANNNNN break the artwork out into a seperate folder...thought about doing that myself....but you would need to tell the scraper where the artwork is and to also put the new artwork there. I chose not to do this because it adds an extra layer of complexity to my already seemingly over complicated environment. I'm not even going to begin to breakdown the process i go through for what a single movie goes through from start to finish... but i will tell you that i have it completely automated to the point where i can walk away from it and the most i have to do is chose the movies i want.
So now I have it as "All or Nothing (2002) 1080p EAC3 (72.0)" and same as you all the folders, nfo, artwork etc. I can also add the subtitles srt to this if the movie is missing it. With my single file ocd, I had to remux the mkv to add the srt, which is a hassle. The 72 is the metascore, which the majority of my movies have, if not I fallback on the imdb score.
Like you mentioned, I see the benefit of only having to do that initial search and scrape once. I have movies in cold storage, so transfer movies every few months into local storage, so my kodi library is always somewhat temporary. I also like to share my collection. So having to search,match,scrape every time the movie is being utilized would be a hassle.
Since I need to redo my entire 3K movie collection, I am trying to understand every aspect of tmm, and kodi, and how it all works, so I do it right the first time. I don't think I have it in me to have to do a second go!
I will do what you do, and add the Video Codec, will be good to know what that is, because I could see me replacing all my h264, once we get to h266 or h267 ;P
Not sure if I care so much about blu ray vs. web dl. Can usually tell that based on the audio codec being dts or eac3.
Im assuming that all the artwork needs to be as files, in the same folder as the mkv to work in kodi or other programs? I was thinking I could have an artwork subfolder, so that when I'm in the movie folder I would have the mkv,nfo,srt,and art work folder. Might make it a bit cleaner.
i enjoy seeing the color cases...kinda like being at a physical movie rental store, I primarily use the cases and the tags at the bottom of the screen to identify the characteristics of the movie im going to watch
If you are wanting to do movie sets, you DO have to break out the artwork into a seperate directory and tell artwork beef where it is
If you use the Aeon MQ8 mod skin, you can get results like this which is the fruit of scraping proper data
(2020-08-02, 15:04)Shredder_guitar Wrote:Im not sure if it really is possible to automate my process, always thought that really only makes when all systems are online 24/7. I have to manually select what I want to keep or delete, after I watched it either way, and then once a month I connect my offline external hdd, and copy the folder with keeper movies to it. Been doing this for 10 years, I have only gotten kodi in the last year, so up until then, I would select what to watch from a folder of files, and manually rename each file. So TMM,Kodi, has already been quite a gamechanger. Today I start scraping and renaming my entire collection with tmm, HDD 1/6 here we go!(2020-08-01, 14:31)Pdubbbs Wrote:I hope you automate that...that sounds like a lot of extra work. But to be fair, to each their own. If that works for you, good on ya. I'm far to busy for that amount of granularity with data migration. I'm super close to getting my entire media collection to the point where i can walk away from it completely, movies, music, tv shows, video games, all of it. And finally just enjoy what i've built (hopefully)....................then when it breaks i'll have to learn what i did all over again lmao! ahhhhh the cycle.(2020-07-31, 18:45)Shredder_guitar Wrote: you CAAAANNNNN break the artwork out into a seperate folder...thought about doing that myself....but you would need to tell the scraper where the artwork is and to also put the new artwork there. I chose not to do this because it adds an extra layer of complexity to my already seemingly over complicated environment. I'm not even going to begin to breakdown the process i go through for what a single movie goes through from start to finish... but i will tell you that i have it completely automated to the point where i can walk away from it and the most i have to do is chose the movies i want.Thanks for sharing you're set up, thats pretty impressive. I have 90% of my movies in cold storage, trying to preserve the life of the hard drives as long as possible, if that is even possible, but I will try it this way and see if I can get 10 years out of them versus the standard 5 years. So I just have a temporary HDD with around 100 movies loaded into kodi, then I just delete them as I watch them, keep the good ones and transfer to cold storage once a month, rinse and repeat, but it sure would be nice to have the entire 3K+ movie collection loaded into kodi and being able to watch any movie you feel like.
i enjoy seeing the color cases...kinda like being at a physical movie rental store, I primarily use the cases and the tags at the bottom of the screen to identify the characteristics of the movie im going to watch
If you are wanting to do movie sets, you DO have to break out the artwork into a seperate directory and tell artwork beef where it is
If you use the Aeon MQ8 mod skin, you can get results like this which is the fruit of scraping proper data
(2021-02-09, 08:31)mlaggner Wrote: so the big question there is: what should we map to which expected field? At the moment the map value "Rotten Tomatoes" is mapped to rottenTomatoes and the field "Metascore" is mapped to metascoreI've already explained my thoughts. TMM should do the same as others do, please.
