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Pick the Right Kodi Box (UPDATED FEB 2015)
(2015-02-20, 15:41)poofyhairguy Wrote:
(2015-02-20, 07:20)MrCrispy Wrote: What is the actual speed difference in GUI on ARM vs x86 (i.e. Android vs Chromebox/HTPC) ? Is it really night and day for large libraries?

Yes, it is HUGE. A Haswell core is over 40% more powerful at the same clock speeds than a ARM A15 core. Also you have to figure that Kodi's GUI has demands on the GPU too, which is about twice or more powerful in a Chromebox. Add in the fact many GUI events are dependant on single core performance and its not close even if the ARM/AMD box has like 8 of those weaker cores.

It is night and day. If you want an elite Kodi experience it is an Intel chip or bust.


Quote:I agree with this, but I don't understand why current boxes will become abandonware with the next version of Kodi? Is that generally what's happened in the past? AFAIK they just run the regular Android version of Kodi, with the only 'hack' being the workaround to use the external player, which is fully supported in Kodi.

You brush it off, but the external player hack is a BIG deal. Why?

1. You don't know the quality of that internal player today. When I get a box I run like 20 test clips through it to determine its power- all the worst stuff. That is why I sign off on a Chromebox- it survived Poofyhairguy's test. Sure that external player can decode a 3D Blu Ray ISO, but will it play a high bitrate VC1 file? How about properly deinterlacing a 1080i file? Will it decode a 720p Hi10 file? I bet the answer is No, No, and No seeing as how that wasn't the marketing checkboxes the player creator was going for. So what you end up with is a "futureproof" box that can't even play today's stuff.

2. Kodi updates its internal play over time for better media compatibility, codec compatibility and better picture quality. With an external player you get none of those improvements, you are stuck with whatever that external player did the day you bought it. That is what I mean by abandonware.

3. (the big one for me) If these box makers really wanted to improve the Kodi experience they would work to build the opensource libraries so this stuff can be done in main Kodi (like Intel does quite frankly). Instead they take the easy way out of an external player to make a buck. I don't mind someone making money, but that means the motivation of those who craft the future for your box is lost as soon as they release the next model. Meanwhile the Chromebox will be used/loved by years of Kodi fans, and the community will craft the support needed to keep the boxes running at top shape with every feature possible.

Honestly it is not close to me.


Thank you. I wasn't trying to brush off or make light of the external player support, I agree with your points. In fact I do have a Chromebox which I bought after I gave my HTPC to someone else. I'm just looking for a cheaper alternative but it seems like nothing really matches it for the price point.

I don't know how much money the Chinese oem guys have to spend on software, from what I've seen their margins are very thin and they are in constant flux with new models every month. The exact same problem (lack of software support) applies to Android tablets as well. My guess is it takes a lot of time and talent to write proper libraries to decode all kinds of content and then contribute it back to Kodi codebase, it takes the legions of open source coders and Intel a while to do it, I wouldn't expect the same from an oem, and they often won't be allowed to disclose proprietary chipset details.

If and when Android TV 5.0 is a real product and lifts these limitations and adds proper hw support, then the game might change.
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Poofy, please advise: - by nchall - 2011-07-20, 19:20
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But is it enough for real 3D? - by Peter42 - 2011-09-12, 21:48
But can it do full 1080p 3D? - by Peter42 - 2011-09-12, 22:06
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