2015-05-07, 15:10
2015-05-07, 15:48
(2015-05-07, 15:10)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]I never said there where not people like you out there. I am just saying that the other group is way bigger.
No. It is not. Most people buy their DVDs and BDs. Now among Kodi users you might be right but unless we survey there is no way to know for sure. Most people purchase and if they did not those industries would be dead already. Unfortunately the learning curve to get a DVD or BD to a HDD is still too much for the average. I have been doing it for years and it still occasionally kicks my ass.
It is funny that people who do things they know is not right always assume that everyone else is doing it too. Why can't you just be comfortable laughing at all the schmucks?
2015-05-07, 16:01
(2015-05-07, 15:48)BeesKnees Wrote: [ -> ](2015-05-07, 15:10)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]I never said there where not people like you out there. I am just saying that the other group is way bigger.
No. It is not. Most people buy their DVDs and BDs. Now among Kodi users you might be right but unless we survey there is no way to know for sure. Most people purchase and if they did not those industries would be dead already. Unfortunately the learning curve to get a DVD or BD to a HDD is still too much for the average. I have been doing it for years and it still occasionally kicks my ass.
It is funny that people who do things they know is not right always assume that everyone else is doing it too. Why can't you just be comfortable laughing at all the schmucks?
Duh, what are we talking about otherwise.
But let us both agree to disagree on the amount of piracy users.
We are already so far off-topic from GPL violation into Trademark violation. Please let's continue Trademark stuff in the DITisTV thread. (Altho there we talk about GPL now
)2015-05-07, 18:30
There is nothing left to discuss. You are whining and complaining about something that will be naturally resolved in under 2 weeks. You expected people to have a knee-jerk reaction and you have found that cooler heads have prevailed and a wise choice has been made. In addition, it seems from the other comments in this thread you are no better if not worse than those you accuse.
Oh and to be clear, I said you might be right not that you were right. I don't make assumptions but then I don't need to because I don't pirate and so I don't need others to make myself feel more comfortable. What I do know is the legitimate use of Kodi is very worthwhile and I have recommended it to others.
Oh and to be clear, I said you might be right not that you were right. I don't make assumptions but then I don't need to because I don't pirate and so I don't need others to make myself feel more comfortable. What I do know is the legitimate use of Kodi is very worthwhile and I have recommended it to others.
2015-05-07, 20:24
(2015-05-07, 18:30)BeesKnees Wrote: [ -> ]There is nothing left to discuss. You are whining and complaining about something that will be naturally resolved in under 2 weeks. You expected people to have a knee-jerk reaction and you have found that cooler heads have prevailed and a wise choice has been made. In addition, it seems from the other comments in this thread you are no better if not worse than those you accuse.
I appreciate you joined the discussion and enlightened us with your views and opinions as fresh Kodi user on this matter. We do not all have to agree, the world would be a boring place otherwise. but..
As constructive advice; Next time at least take the efforts to inform yourself properly and check the history before you participate.
The discussion of the GPL violation that is being continued in this thread, (but not started) is going on for about months now. If you would have checked before jumping in you would have know the very first GPL violation happened at the 25th of November last here when they released their first updated binary. (The first request for sources of that version was done the same day).
From the 26th of November the discussion of the GPL violation starts, and after bullshitting, but mostly ignoring the requests for sources for about 3 weeks, another binary get's pushed out on the 12th of December. Again, without sources, violating the GPL.
Finally something get's pushed to their github account on the 19th, but it neither build one of the by now 3 released binaries.
The 6th of January the fourth binary got pushed and the same day Team-Kodi member Ned Scott says; "Nice. I assume the source code will be available very soon?" It get's ignored even though now even Team-Kodi members say things like; "They are required to release the source code. It is not optional when using GPL software." What eventually get pushed to github only has two commits and the changes are no where near matching the changelog of the binary. We don't even have to build this one to know it does not match.
17 days go by of carefull ignoring the source code requests, however the 23th something get's pushed to github again after another poke for sources. (with commit dates of the 15th?). I have personally not checked this one, but is also appears to be their latest released Gotham based code. However it does not stop them to release their 5th binary on the 24th of January. From there on it goes fast downhill.
From the end of January, VidOn really are taking the piss with everybody and Team-Kodi goes into silence mode.
25th of February still no sources, yet another (5th) version of their Kodi binary.
Somewhere around the 8th the topic get's splitted still two months go by, them violating the GPL, Kodi Foundation not doing anything about it. at lease no visual action of any kind other than allowing the discussion.
The 9th of April, Team-Kodi becomes aware that VidOn even takes an even higher piss with everybody as they discover the compan uses different Nick names at all the same IP on the forums to market their product (A fake box giveaway and false positive reviews) and to defend their GPL violation etc.
Around the 15th of April they even released a Helix version that was compiled 2 weeks before that while their Helix source code online still dates December. But at this point it really doesn't matter does it?
The thread get's closed although the mods continue the discussion, yet no action being taken by Team-Kodi.
I open this thread to once more ventilate my dissapointment in Team-Kodi about this regard. It is only now that the discussion is getting so heated that almost all team members join in, looking at my signature and pointing finger at me; spitting in the soup, whatever.
It is only now that it becomes clear that the sponsor deal it self is only valid for less than two weeks from now, but even with the history briefly outlined above; Their logo is still at the front, they are still called a Diamond sponsor, they can still call themself Official Kodi sponsor, they are STILL in violation of the GPL license.
Team-Kodi instead of maing a statement, or taking "any" action, still pointing fingers to other.
And than you call me a whiner about something that get's resolved in less than two weeks anyway?
2015-05-07, 22:25
I'll be honest. I spent about .0001% of my time in the vidon thread unless somebody specifically points me to an issue. My entire knowledge of the GPL issues is that on on Dec 11 I explained to vidon that even alpha and beta builds need source code if they are being released to the public, and on Dec 12th, they agreed to have it fixed within the month. After that, no one said anything to me, so I stopped paying attention. My general assumption is that if there isn't a squeaky wheel, then there isn't a problem. The only other issue we had that I was made aware of was the sock puppet issue, for which Vidon's primary contact apologized for extensively and promised would not occur again.
The first hint, for me, that there was still a GPL issue wasn't until April 20th, when the people at Vidon contacted me directly and said they were at risk of being GPL violators because Allwinner wasn't open sourcing their SDKs. Within the next two weeks, after a review and board vote, the board agreed not to renew the sponsorship.
There was indeed an organizational problem, and I'd guess that problem could be divided into two things. First, because this is a volunteer organization, there's nobody to review source code to make sure it is GPL compliant and to stay on companies that have been reticent to get GPL compliant if they weren't previously. Second, those users who are reviewing don't appear to have a simple means of reporting GPL violations in an efficient, ticketed method that ensures a team member will be able to verify the ticket.
These are issues that need to be resolved.
Unrelated Sidenote: Robotica, I have absolutely seen the Foundation's Letter of Incorporation, the application for tax exempt status, and I even personally rewrote the by-laws of the organization. If you want to read the Letter of Incorporation, you can do so here. http://kodi.wiki/images/3/30/Delaware_In...Notice.pdf
However, an organization tends to evolve over the course of 6 years, and a lot of the generalities spelled out in the letter of incorporation crystallize into reality, so I thought I'd be a friendly person and mention what we currently are using the Foundation for. The fact that you still find the organization shady is just one of the many reasons why I think you are such a lovely person.
The first hint, for me, that there was still a GPL issue wasn't until April 20th, when the people at Vidon contacted me directly and said they were at risk of being GPL violators because Allwinner wasn't open sourcing their SDKs. Within the next two weeks, after a review and board vote, the board agreed not to renew the sponsorship.
There was indeed an organizational problem, and I'd guess that problem could be divided into two things. First, because this is a volunteer organization, there's nobody to review source code to make sure it is GPL compliant and to stay on companies that have been reticent to get GPL compliant if they weren't previously. Second, those users who are reviewing don't appear to have a simple means of reporting GPL violations in an efficient, ticketed method that ensures a team member will be able to verify the ticket.
These are issues that need to be resolved.
Unrelated Sidenote: Robotica, I have absolutely seen the Foundation's Letter of Incorporation, the application for tax exempt status, and I even personally rewrote the by-laws of the organization. If you want to read the Letter of Incorporation, you can do so here. http://kodi.wiki/images/3/30/Delaware_In...Notice.pdf
However, an organization tends to evolve over the course of 6 years, and a lot of the generalities spelled out in the letter of incorporation crystallize into reality, so I thought I'd be a friendly person and mention what we currently are using the Foundation for. The fact that you still find the organization shady is just one of the many reasons why I think you are such a lovely person.
2015-05-07, 22:51
(2015-05-07, 20:24)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]As constructive advice; Next time at least take the efforts to inform yourself properly and check the history before you participate.
Yeah, I won't be doing that. You post a message on a message board and anyone can respond to a part or all of it. That is how it works. I also did not need the history to guess what was really going on behind the scenes while you were accusing them of condoning behavior.
But I will offer advice back... It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
2015-05-07, 22:53
@Nathan,
As I said before after jjd-uk hist post
It is not like you guys have a hundred diamond sponsors, so don't put the logo up, take the money and walk (and look) the other way. Spending 0.0001 % on the official thread of one of your diamond sponsors really means an error in priorities. You now the saying; Assumptions is the mother of all ....... ups.
At this moment it looks like all of your and the Teams priorities are rather with the trademark than the software license.
But anyhow; I know no one of you will say it out loud, but wil interpret your (and jjd-uk his) post(s) as; "WTF, Really? Apologies, I really mis-judges that".
As I said before after jjd-uk hist post
(2015-05-06, 15:54)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds very plausible.
Let it then be a lessons learned. Hopefully in the future, diamond sponsors will get the needed attention; both positive and negative.
It is not like you guys have a hundred diamond sponsors, so don't put the logo up, take the money and walk (and look) the other way. Spending 0.0001 % on the official thread of one of your diamond sponsors really means an error in priorities. You now the saying; Assumptions is the mother of all ....... ups.
At this moment it looks like all of your and the Teams priorities are rather with the trademark than the software license.
But anyhow; I know no one of you will say it out loud, but wil interpret your (and jjd-uk his) post(s) as; "WTF, Really? Apologies, I really mis-judges that".
2015-05-07, 23:05
(2015-05-07, 22:51)BeesKnees Wrote: [ -> ](2015-05-07, 20:24)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]As constructive advice; Next time at least take the efforts to inform yourself properly and check the history before you participate.
Yeah, I won't be doing that. You post a message on a message board and anyone can respond to a part or all of it. That is how it works. I also did not need the history to guess what was really going on behind the scenes while you were accusing them of condoning behavior.
But I will offer advice back... It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Whahaha, I know the saying
They called Da Vincy and Einstein fools as well. Can you imagine how the world would look like if they would have followed your advice
2015-05-07, 23:26
(2015-05-07, 23:05)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]They called Da Vincy and Einstein fools as well. Can you imagine how the world would look like if they would have followed your advice
So... You feel that you are somehow comparable to da Vinci or Einstein...
2015-05-08, 01:28
(2015-05-07, 22:53)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]But anyhow; I know no one of you will say it out loud, but wil interpret your (and jjd-uk his) post(s) as; "WTF, Really? Apologies, I really mis-judges that".
Please allow me to assure you that I feel no need to apologize for anything I have said so far.
2015-05-08, 03:17
@Robotica
I was the one who lifted your last ban, so if you act up then it looks bad on me for unbanning you. I will not hesitate to re-ban your ass if you keep going on about how the Foundation is shady or evil or whatever. You're on such thin ice right now that you might get banned for thinking Kirk was a better captain than Picard.
To be clear, just because a company violates a license or even breaks the law, that does not invalidate unrelated contracts with that company. It just doesn't work like that. It would be like a person getting a traffic ticket and then losing all of their rights for any contract they've ever made. I do understand if, because of that, the outward appearance to other people might make it look like we don't care about GPL violations. There's just not much we can do about it at the moment other than reply to people in threads like this and explain the situation. At least it distracts from our sex scandals.
What hypocrisy? There's no moral issue here, at least not for me. We've said time and time again, we don't want people making it sound like Kodi was made to be used with pirated content. We've never said pirated content was "evil" (although, honestly, some of those add-ons are so broken and frustrated that they are evil for non-piracy reasons). Do I pirate movies and TV shows? You bet your ass I do. Ironically, I have legal access to nearly all of those shows and movies via various paid subscriptions, but you know, fuck DRM. I'm no saint, and I never pretended to be one. (However, I don't use streaming add-ons, because I like not having my eyeballs bleed and not dealing with endless buffering, broken links, and badly written add-ons that break other things.)
We don't care if you paid for a video or not. We just want people to stop marketing Kodi as being specifically for piracy, rather than being an honestly neutral player that just plays whatever you pump into it. In a perfect world it wouldn't be an issue, but it has become such a issue that some users are surprised to find out that Kodi can play a retail DVD. The number of sites and venders who market Kodi as a free movie/pirate box is so damaging that people don't know it's possible to use it for legal content. That's insane.
Let's say one day Netflix or Sony or someone came out with an official Kodi add-on. Hell freezes over and we have tons of content that is super popular, and soon people think that Kodi is that "Sony movie box". If it got so insanely popular that it just over shadowed every other thing that we worked hard on and made a part of Kodi. Team Kodi would get really annoyed at that, too. Maybe not as annoyed as the piracy stuff, since the piracy association poses a lot more concerns, but we would still be annoyed. We would go out and make it a huge point to say "Kodi is just a neutral player". It works with other add-ons and even your own files, and is not just a Sony box!" We'd scream that from roof tops. Considering how some team members feel about Sony, some of them might scream louder about that than they would about being associated with piracy.
I have no issue with you trying to sell Kodi hardware and trying to make a living with that. I don't even care if you mention free/pirated/bootleg/whatever movies and TV shows. I just don't see why you have to make it sound like Kodi itself is the "pirate key" to the land of endless videos and titties. It's like marketing FireFox as "THE browser for porn".
I was the one who lifted your last ban, so if you act up then it looks bad on me for unbanning you. I will not hesitate to re-ban your ass if you keep going on about how the Foundation is shady or evil or whatever. You're on such thin ice right now that you might get banned for thinking Kirk was a better captain than Picard.
(2015-05-07, 22:53)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]At this moment it looks like all of your and the Teams priorities are rather with the trademark than the software license.
To be clear, just because a company violates a license or even breaks the law, that does not invalidate unrelated contracts with that company. It just doesn't work like that. It would be like a person getting a traffic ticket and then losing all of their rights for any contract they've ever made. I do understand if, because of that, the outward appearance to other people might make it look like we don't care about GPL violations. There's just not much we can do about it at the moment other than reply to people in threads like this and explain the situation. At least it distracts from our sex scandals.
(2015-05-07, 11:08)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]I see Team members shouting so loud about piracy, the amount of hypocriticy is dripping from it and can been seen (maybe even smelled) from miles away. A year ago (maybe two), we all knew where all our TV-Series and movies came from. Full automated download systems where wildly discussed.
What hypocrisy? There's no moral issue here, at least not for me. We've said time and time again, we don't want people making it sound like Kodi was made to be used with pirated content. We've never said pirated content was "evil" (although, honestly, some of those add-ons are so broken and frustrated that they are evil for non-piracy reasons). Do I pirate movies and TV shows? You bet your ass I do. Ironically, I have legal access to nearly all of those shows and movies via various paid subscriptions, but you know, fuck DRM. I'm no saint, and I never pretended to be one. (However, I don't use streaming add-ons, because I like not having my eyeballs bleed and not dealing with endless buffering, broken links, and badly written add-ons that break other things.)
We don't care if you paid for a video or not. We just want people to stop marketing Kodi as being specifically for piracy, rather than being an honestly neutral player that just plays whatever you pump into it. In a perfect world it wouldn't be an issue, but it has become such a issue that some users are surprised to find out that Kodi can play a retail DVD. The number of sites and venders who market Kodi as a free movie/pirate box is so damaging that people don't know it's possible to use it for legal content. That's insane.
Let's say one day Netflix or Sony or someone came out with an official Kodi add-on. Hell freezes over and we have tons of content that is super popular, and soon people think that Kodi is that "Sony movie box". If it got so insanely popular that it just over shadowed every other thing that we worked hard on and made a part of Kodi. Team Kodi would get really annoyed at that, too. Maybe not as annoyed as the piracy stuff, since the piracy association poses a lot more concerns, but we would still be annoyed. We would go out and make it a huge point to say "Kodi is just a neutral player". It works with other add-ons and even your own files, and is not just a Sony box!" We'd scream that from roof tops. Considering how some team members feel about Sony, some of them might scream louder about that than they would about being associated with piracy.
I have no issue with you trying to sell Kodi hardware and trying to make a living with that. I don't even care if you mention free/pirated/bootleg/whatever movies and TV shows. I just don't see why you have to make it sound like Kodi itself is the "pirate key" to the land of endless videos and titties. It's like marketing FireFox as "THE browser for porn".
2015-05-08, 03:32
(2015-05-07, 22:53)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]@Nathan,
As I said before after jjd-uk hist post
(2015-05-06, 15:54)j1nx Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds very plausible.
Let it then be a lessons learned. Hopefully in the future, diamond sponsors will get the needed attention; both positive and negative.
It is not like you guys have a hundred diamond sponsors, so don't put the logo up, take the money and walk (and look) the other way. Spending 0.0001 % on the official thread of one of your diamond sponsors really means an error in priorities. You now the saying; Assumptions is the mother of all ....... ups.
At this moment it looks like all of your and the Teams priorities are rather with the trademark than the software license.
But anyhow; I know no one of you will say it out loud, but wil interpret your (and jjd-uk his) post(s) as; "WTF, Really? Apologies, I really mis-judges that".
So much for no accusations...again. You really don't understand the volunteer part of this do you? Again, you are making yourself a fool and kidding yourself by comparing to Einstein or Da Vinci. I know a troll when I see one. You are a troll. When one of the volunteers has time you should be banned. Anything less would be condoning your behavior, right? Funny how that works.
2015-05-08, 03:48
(2015-05-08, 03:17)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ]To be clear, just because a company violates a license or even breaks the law, that does not invalidate unrelated contracts with that company. It just doesn't work like that. It would be like a person getting a traffic ticket and then losing all of their rights for any contract they've ever made. I do understand if, because of that, the outward appearance to other people might make it look like we don't care about GPL violations. There's just not much we can do about it at the moment other than reply to people in threads like this and explain the situation. At least it distracts from our sex scandals.
Yeah, I already said that.
Oh and the Filipino hooker in your sex tape was a bit much.
2015-05-08, 09:28
I was(am) dissapointment about how the Team dealt with the VidOn case and felt the need to express my feelings onto the discussion board. Regardsless of the fact you wanted to hear it or not, I hoped it could be discussed so that whenever MiniX for instance decide todo the same it would have been picked up a lot sooner.
Ned, I perfectly understand your (and for that matter BeesKnees) statement that indeed, an illigal action is not invalidate all contract of that entitiy. I high lighted the parts in your quote that either worries me that is was not included or is something I can not understand; Why is the license of the software of the entity the sponsor deal is all about unrelated?
You are no hardware company. It is stated many times before, Team-Kodi / The foundation or whatever is on top, does not sell hardware. You guys merely develop software, which is free and released under the GPL. You can use it, modify it and distribute it as long as the license get's respected. How is that license unrelated to any agreement with you guys? It is the one and only product the deal is all about.
In my eyes indeed the traffic ticket does not invalid the contract you have with your bank/mortgage, but if the felony is big enough, the related contract; "your drivers license" for sure get's cancelled.
Do you still disagree? If so, could you or are you allowed to shared what is in the contract?
Yes, you are right, those accusations where unnecessary, like I said, felt in the trap again.
For calling me a fool, please see above. You can call me a troll, I don't care. I find it suprising that you as a new guy that registerred only April this year to feel the need to engage with me at such a level. I perfectly understand the volunteer part, but as soon as a non-profit organisation, sponsor deals of 10k and registered trademarks come into play, don't you think some things can no longer be hidden behind that excuse? You make a proffesional deal worth of 10k, but when shit happens: Hé, we are just volunteers?
The team can ban me, yes ofcourse they can. I tried to express my feelings and concerns in a proffesional way. During the thread indeed maybe some accusations to each other were made, but for sure I did not started with it.
Yes I for sure hope they "condone" that behaviour of people here on the forums as in most countries it is called freedom of speech. As long as we do not call each other fools, be aggresive or threaten each other.
(2015-05-07, 23:26)DJ_Izumi Wrote: [ -> ]So... You feel that you are somehow comparable to da Vinci or Einstein...No, not really, I merely tried to touch the subject, that; In the eyes of the ignorant, brilliancy is commonly mistaken for foolishness. Calling someone a fool for what he says, or stating someone is making a fool of himself could well mean yourself are not able to understand the matter. (regardless of it being respectless and unnessecary. )
(2015-05-08, 01:28)natethomas Wrote: [ -> ]Please allow me to assure you that I feel no need to apologize for anything I have said so far.I know, that is what I said.
(2015-05-08, 03:17)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ]To be clear, just because a company violates a license or even breaks the law, that does not invalidate unrelated contracts with that company. It just doesn't work like that. It would be like a person getting a traffic ticket and then losing all of their rights for any contract they've ever made. I do understand if, because of that, the outward appearance to other people might make it look like we don't care about GPL violations. There's just not much we can do about it at the moment other than reply to people in threads like this and explain the situation. At least it distracts from our sex scandals.
Ned, I perfectly understand your (and for that matter BeesKnees) statement that indeed, an illigal action is not invalidate all contract of that entitiy. I high lighted the parts in your quote that either worries me that is was not included or is something I can not understand; Why is the license of the software of the entity the sponsor deal is all about unrelated?
You are no hardware company. It is stated many times before, Team-Kodi / The foundation or whatever is on top, does not sell hardware. You guys merely develop software, which is free and released under the GPL. You can use it, modify it and distribute it as long as the license get's respected. How is that license unrelated to any agreement with you guys? It is the one and only product the deal is all about.
In my eyes indeed the traffic ticket does not invalid the contract you have with your bank/mortgage, but if the felony is big enough, the related contract; "your drivers license" for sure get's cancelled.
Do you still disagree? If so, could you or are you allowed to shared what is in the contract?
Quote:Diamond SponsorI assume that for those perks there is more to it than only the costs of 10k
All Diamond Sponsors will be listed alphabetically on the sponsorship page along with their logo, as well as having two links on the front page of the http://kodi.tv blog, at least one of which will be above the “fold.” All Diamond Sponsors may refer to themselves as an “XBMC Foundation Sponsor” or simply as a “Kodi Sponsor.” Diamond Sponsors are invited to come speak to the Team at the yearly DevCon at their expense.
A yearly Diamond Sponsorship costs $10,000, a portion of which may be donated using hardware or services (particularly services critical to the development or maintenance of Kodi) at the behest of the Foundation Board of Directors.
(2015-05-08, 03:17)Ned Scott Wrote: [ -> ]What hypocrisy? There's no moral issue here, at least not for me. We've said time and time again, we don't want people making it sound like Kodi was made to be used with pirated content. We've never said pirated content was "evil" (although, honestly, some of those add-ons are so broken and frustrated that they are evil for non-piracy reasons). Do I pirate movies and TV shows? You bet your ass I do. Ironically, I have legal access to nearly all of those shows and movies via various paid subscriptions, but you know, fuck DRM. I'm no saint, and I never pretended to be one. (However, I don't use streaming add-ons, because I like not having my eyeballs bleed and not dealing with endless buffering, broken links, and badly written add-ons that break other things.)I shouldn't have said that. That was how I felt about the whole Trademark thing. I promised to leave them out, but felt in the trap.
We don't care if you paid for a video or not. We just want people to stop marketing Kodi as being specifically for piracy, rather than being an honestly neutral player that just plays whatever you pump into it. In a perfect world it wouldn't be an issue, but it has become such a issue that some users are surprised to find out that Kodi can play a retail DVD. The number of sites and venders who market Kodi as a free movie/pirate box is so damaging that people don't know it's possible to use it for legal content. That's insane.
Let's say one day Netflix or Sony or someone came out with an official Kodi add-on. Hell freezes over and we have tons of content that is super popular, and soon people think that Kodi is that "Sony movie box". If it got so insanely popular that it just over shadowed every other thing that we worked hard on and made a part of Kodi. Team Kodi would get really annoyed at that, too. Maybe not as annoyed as the piracy stuff, since the piracy association poses a lot more concerns, but we would still be annoyed. We would go out and make it a huge point to say "Kodi is just a neutral player". It works with other add-ons and even your own files, and is not just a Sony box!" We'd scream that from roof tops. Considering how some team members feel about Sony, some of them might scream louder about that than they would about being associated with piracy.
I have no issue with you trying to sell Kodi hardware and trying to make a living with that. I don't even care if you mention free/pirated/bootleg/whatever movies and TV shows. I just don't see why you have to make it sound like Kodi itself is the "pirate key" to the land of endless videos and titties. It's like marketing FireFox as "THE browser for porn".
(2015-05-08, 03:32)BeesKnees Wrote: [ -> ]So much for no accusations...again. You really don't understand the volunteer part of this do you? Again, you are making yourself a fool and kidding yourself by comparing to Einstein or Da Vinci. I know a troll when I see one. You are a troll. When one of the volunteers has time you should be banned. Anything less would be condoning your behavior, right? Funny how that works.
Yes, you are right, those accusations where unnecessary, like I said, felt in the trap again.
For calling me a fool, please see above. You can call me a troll, I don't care. I find it suprising that you as a new guy that registerred only April this year to feel the need to engage with me at such a level. I perfectly understand the volunteer part, but as soon as a non-profit organisation, sponsor deals of 10k and registered trademarks come into play, don't you think some things can no longer be hidden behind that excuse? You make a proffesional deal worth of 10k, but when shit happens: Hé, we are just volunteers?
The team can ban me, yes ofcourse they can. I tried to express my feelings and concerns in a proffesional way. During the thread indeed maybe some accusations to each other were made, but for sure I did not started with it.
Yes I for sure hope they "condone" that behaviour of people here on the forums as in most countries it is called freedom of speech. As long as we do not call each other fools, be aggresive or threaten each other.