2009-09-04, 16:18
It would make more sense to release the skin with the fonts.
Or is that asking too much of people like djh
Or is that asking too much of people like djh
2009-09-04, 16:21
paul, read up on WHY the fonts are hosted elsewhere... it's not done for reasons of wanting to be hard to deal with.
2009-09-05, 15:53
I don't know about all of this... I'm also new to xbmc/aeon, but I managed to figure out where to put the contents of the zip file. Many skins on many different applications are 'installed' that way. And as Hitcher pointed out; the information is available, you just need to take your time and look for it.
I also understand that Team-XBMC wants to have a high-en, user friendly application here, but the information *IS* available to the users, they just don't look for it... Just how many 'my backdrop ain't showing up' threads are there? Or how to get a nightly build? Or how to use the library mode even. Most of those issues is covered in the stickies, but no one even bothers IMHO.
And if you stick to 'stock' Aeon version, without the mods for it 'n stuff, why are you guys talking about Aeon being difficult to set up? No different from other skins, like MediaStream or Transparency! to me.
(with Windows OS in mind, don't know about other platforms: )
One easy way to solve the problem with skin installs is to give the zip file a different extension (like .xbmcs or something) and have XBMC install it on-click, kind of like winamp does with .wal files. I realise the skins I'm comparing here differ VERY much, even aside from the file size, but if you're guys looking for a user-friendly work-around, this could be -a- way to go.
And as for -real- installers (installshield like, or that nullsoft installer) I, personally, wouldn't like installers to clutter up my add/remove programs... And, renaming a zip file or packaging a installer, I know what's quicker.
Anyways, my two cents.
Grtz
Lukas
I also understand that Team-XBMC wants to have a high-en, user friendly application here, but the information *IS* available to the users, they just don't look for it... Just how many 'my backdrop ain't showing up' threads are there? Or how to get a nightly build? Or how to use the library mode even. Most of those issues is covered in the stickies, but no one even bothers IMHO.
And if you stick to 'stock' Aeon version, without the mods for it 'n stuff, why are you guys talking about Aeon being difficult to set up? No different from other skins, like MediaStream or Transparency! to me.
(with Windows OS in mind, don't know about other platforms: )
One easy way to solve the problem with skin installs is to give the zip file a different extension (like .xbmcs or something) and have XBMC install it on-click, kind of like winamp does with .wal files. I realise the skins I'm comparing here differ VERY much, even aside from the file size, but if you're guys looking for a user-friendly work-around, this could be -a- way to go.
And as for -real- installers (installshield like, or that nullsoft installer) I, personally, wouldn't like installers to clutter up my add/remove programs... And, renaming a zip file or packaging a installer, I know what's quicker.
Anyways, my two cents.
Grtz
Lukas
2009-09-05, 16:31
I thought it was just me.
I don't have anything installed yet and have not used XBMC in two years. But seeing Aeon among other reasons made me want to check it out again. So I am building a box for that purpose. I am a programmer and while doing the research on how to get things up and running I was surprised to see how complicated it appears to be to work with the Aeon skin.
Is it still considered Beta? Because then I can understand the complexity.
Also I would like to say that it is an amazing skin and looks to be worth the trouble. Obviously a lot of hard work has gone into it.
I don't have anything installed yet and have not used XBMC in two years. But seeing Aeon among other reasons made me want to check it out again. So I am building a box for that purpose. I am a programmer and while doing the research on how to get things up and running I was surprised to see how complicated it appears to be to work with the Aeon skin.
Is it still considered Beta? Because then I can understand the complexity.
Also I would like to say that it is an amazing skin and looks to be worth the trouble. Obviously a lot of hard work has gone into it.
2009-09-05, 18:10
spiff Wrote:paul, read up on WHY the fonts are hosted elsewhere... it's not done for reasons of wanting to be hard to deal with.hey don't take that tone with me. i were only voicing my opinion
Next time you reply to a post put your brain in gear first
2009-09-05, 18:12
Paul,
Because they probably don't look as good. Instead of being such an asshole, why don't you make some fonts yourself so that they can be included in Aeon.
Once you do that, problem solved.
Because they probably don't look as good. Instead of being such an asshole, why don't you make some fonts yourself so that they can be included in Aeon.
Once you do that, problem solved.
2009-09-05, 18:34
spiff Wrote:paul, read up on WHY the fonts are hosted elsewhere... it's not done for reasons of wanting to be hard to deal with.
where can this information be found please
2009-09-05, 18:40
cheers. have always been curious about it
2009-09-05, 20:16
TaeOH Wrote:I thought it was just me.
I am a programmer and while doing the research on how to get things up and running I was surprised to see how complicated it appears to be to work with the Aeon skin.
<offtopic>
PLEASE don't take this the wrong way as i am just saying this to add a bit of
levity here. I used to be a programmer in another life but i always prefered
General IT. I used to work at a few software houses.
Most (not all) programmers i worked with didn't know shit about computers in the same
sense as when you talk about people being "street smart". They were geniuses
at what they did but ask them to do a simple task in the general os or something out
of their field of expertise and it was funny to see.
One guy burnt 12 copies of a patch to be sent to a customer while trying to
make the volume label be all CAPS. So finally they call the IT department and
i go there and Enables the option to Allow all Uppercase filenames in Windows
explorer's view settings. Lo and behold, the 1st CD he burnt was just fine!
To this day, i get people coming to me with their PCs saying something like :
"My cousin is a programmer and he tried to fix it but it's worse now. I don't
think anything can be done."
I chuckle and fix their problem. :p
</offtopic>
-Pr.
2009-09-05, 20:36
The fact is Aeon is probably the most difficult skin to get working fully but at the end of the day there is a very detailed step by step guide/faq in the stickies and pretty much any other question can be answered by doing a couple of searches on this forum.
While I agree that it is very annoying that the fonts have to be downloaded separately the reason for this has been explained many many times.
At this point its getting silly with people complaining still about how things are done and how complicated it is to set up. If you're not happy with it or dont have the patience to get it working then use another skin.
While I agree that it is very annoying that the fonts have to be downloaded separately the reason for this has been explained many many times.
At this point its getting silly with people complaining still about how things are done and how complicated it is to set up. If you're not happy with it or dont have the patience to get it working then use another skin.
2009-09-05, 20:58
The fonts are not included with the AEON source because they are not free fonts (you have to buy them) and it is against github policy to upload that sort of thing to their servers
2009-09-05, 21:07
tslayer Wrote:Paul,So why the insults? I did not insult you or anybody else, its just typical of you xbmc devs to attack or insult anybody who does not agree with you!!!
Because they probably don't look as good. Instead of being such an asshole, why don't you make some fonts yourself so that they can be included in Aeon.
Once you do that, problem solved.
2009-09-05, 21:13
Jezz_X Wrote:The fonts are not included with the AEON source because they are not free fonts (you have to buy them) and it is against github policy to upload that sort of thing to their serversCan't say i blame them as they won't want a lawsuit for stolen fonts which all us aeon users are using..... now i wait to get flamed by the devs again....
2009-09-05, 21:32
Pr.Sinister Wrote:<offtopic>
To this day, i get people coming to me with their PCs saying something like :
"My cousin is a programmer and he tried to fix it but it's worse now. I don't
think anything can be done."
I chuckle and fix their problem. :p
</offtopic>
-Pr.
I don't fix friends PC's anymore, when they ask about something I just give em a blank stare and tell them to Google it.
