2020-05-15, 12:22
OSMC (Open Source Media Center): Is it really open source? Doesn't just use open source + some extra sauce not available back to public?
(2020-05-15, 12:22)ultraman Wrote: OSMC (Open Source Media Center): Is it really open source? Doesn't just use open source + some extra sauce not available back to public?
(2020-05-15, 15:28)Sam.Nazarko Wrote: I assume you're referring to the discussion re. implementing DRM.
Unfortunately we can't make that solution open source, but we can keep everything else open.
But even if this was open, it wouldn't make much of a difference, as the appropriate licensing is still necessary to gain access and decode these streams successfully.
(2020-05-15, 15:48)AdamG Wrote:This would seem to be a very serious legal issue if it is the case and I think it vital that Sam.Nazarko provide an adequate response, especially being a Team Kodi member.(2020-05-15, 15:28)Sam.Nazarko Wrote: I assume you're referring to the discussion re. implementing DRM.
Unfortunately we can't make that solution open source, but we can keep everything else open.
But even if this was open, it wouldn't make much of a difference, as the appropriate licensing is still necessary to gain access and decode these streams successfully.
I think he was referring to the fact that OSMC is not 'open' in that it openly violates the GPL license by distributing Linux 4.9 kernel, u-boot and Kodi binaries and not making the source code publically available.
(2020-05-15, 15:48)AdamG Wrote:This is a very serious accusation. I note that you and @ultraman are both CoreELEC developers. You've also stated that we are violating the GPL on your own website here. To my understanding, you can't really say someone is violating the GPL when you haven't even asked for the sources or verified that they are not available already.(2020-05-15, 15:28)Sam.Nazarko Wrote: I assume you're referring to the discussion re. implementing DRM.
Unfortunately we can't make that solution open source, but we can keep everything else open.
But even if this was open, it wouldn't make much of a difference, as the appropriate licensing is still necessary to gain access and decode these streams successfully.
I think he was referring to the fact that OSMC is not 'open' in that it openly violates the GPL license by distributing Linux 4.9 kernel, u-boot and Kodi binaries and not making the source code publically available.
(2020-05-15, 23:51)hdmkv Wrote: Not that I want to get in the middle of this (love both CoreELEC and Vero/OSMC), but have wondered if more AMLogic-based devices could support 3D MVC as it appears the h/w is capable?First hats off to sam and the team that took the time to bring 3D to his platform. Dont know the back story of the 3D on other platform but almost everyone has put 3D in the dead zone. So if the osmc team has kept it alive they got my support at the end of the day we are all here to learn and help each other.
(2020-05-16, 00:13)AdamG Wrote: It's a very serious allegation that I stand by, for why I will outline below.
1) The user heiko was one of our team members, the link you provided to them was purposefully restricted to 1KB/s with Apache mod_limit and this is something that our entire team would verify as everybody tried the link that you made available, each subsequent thread was also limited to 1KB/s and so we know it wasn't a connection issue, we also have archived screenshots of this for the record.
2) The almost 2GB kernel source file that you made available was padded with 200MB of deb files and a single 1.5GB junk file of random data to increase its size and along with 1) for the purposes of obtaining the kernel sources painfully difficult, again we have archive screenshots of this for the record. By comparison a copy of the kernel source code with history removed and compressed is only 150MB, not 2GB.
3) Email requests for source code have gone unanswered.
By virtue of the above then it should be considered that you was purposefully making it hard to obtain kernel sources, you can not say you stand by the GPL and adhere to it when you are engaging in such tactics, when a user makes a written offer for the GPL and you make it available to them at 1KB/s and pad the file with useless data then that is not in the community spirit of being open and this to me does not seem to be adhering to the GPL license requirements, alas to say requiring a written request is also a bad and unusual practice that no other Kodi related community project requires.
I am not suggesting that you are withholding sources for 3D MVC, but users asking for 3D MVC has brought the issue up again for our team, not a single one of us has a display capable of outputting 3D and so it is not something that we are acutely interested in, one of our developers (cdu13a) was more interested in your bring-up of gxl on the 4.9 kernel to better improve his own funhouse builds, meanwhile the rest of us was curious as to whether you had used any of our work.
The inject_bl301 and ceemmc tool is not my work, nor do I have access to it, the developer has chosen not to make these available to tackle GPL violators, mainly AlexELEC, they have no bearing on your project as you provide your own bootloader and internal install method. This and our history with LE is irrelevant as this thread is about OSMC.
You can claim as much as you want. The fact is we publish source before releasing any public binary builds. You do not. Your build is up until January? Unless you provide code then your word is worth nothing.
When you provide source code is a tarball format then this is no good to anybody and any good developer knows this, this is not helping the community.
I welcome and look forward to the day that you make all of your sources available on GitHub.
(2020-05-16, 01:05)AdamG Wrote: Maybe this will jog your memory?
There was no proxies or VPN in use because as I said our entire team tried it and experienced the same painfully slow download, please don't make us all out to be liars, you know damn right what you did and to suggest otherwise is insulting.
Your excuses for not providing git history is nonsense because you could nuke the Amlogic history and then provide history for all of your own teams commits and additions, there is absolutely nothing what so ever stopping you from doing this. Overwriting history is better than providing none at all which is what you are doing, at least we are providing version history which is more than can be said for OSMC with its 4.9 releases.
You are not helping the community, our users are interested in 3D and that is why I have posted and continue to do so, you are reading between the lines and trying to distract from the point in question as usual Sam. You are deliberately obfuscating your changes so other projects are unable to benefit, seeing as you have benefited from our commits which we see you have used in your kernel then you should do the right thing by the community and just stop this bs.
If you really want to help then the community and give back then you can dump all of your changes as patch files 'git format-patch'.