2013-07-30, 16:57
this is just the industry wanting to cash in on you buying new hw to play back bitrate raped streams they sell to naive joe as hd. where the real snr is hidden beneath tons of psychovisual tricks.
(2013-07-30, 18:03)Ned Scott Wrote: I don't mind the commercial intent of h.265, but yeah, I don't look forward to the push for 4K and 3D and other stuff that will be pushed even more with h.265. I still look forward to h.265 in general, but mostly because most of my video content is under my own control (rips, etc). One can hope that enough sane people in the world will exist to prevent h.265 being exclusively used on some online video services. I'm a bit of a tree hugger, after all, and hate it when perfectly good devices are pushed aside just to sell new ones.
(2013-07-30, 20:50)voochi Wrote: I don't see any reason to hate on it or call it 'crap'. Anybody who makes these kind of statements probably has a hidden agenda.
(2013-07-30, 22:02)davilla Wrote:(2013-07-30, 20:50)voochi Wrote: I don't see any reason to hate on it or call it 'crap'. Anybody who makes these kind of statements probably has a hidden agenda.
Yea, my hidden agenda is I don't want to be pestered by clueless persons that start parroting that h265 is the next best thing since sliced bread and we xbmc devs should immediately stop the press and anything we might be working on, to implement it...
(2013-07-30, 16:02)davilla Wrote:(2013-07-29, 15:20)krish_2k4 Wrote:(2013-07-29, 03:00)davilla Wrote: Crap. No HW decoder supports it, None, zero, nappa. This means back to high powered and noisy boxes for SW decode. No thank you please.
what an absurd post, the thing is not even out yet and your already shooting it down with such a stupid post.
would of expected better from a dev.
This absurd xbmc dev happens to be an expert on hardware video decoding. I'm glad you find my post absurd, perhaps when I refuse to provide any code to handle h265, that will get your attention.
(2013-07-30, 21:22)tential Wrote:(2013-07-30, 18:03)Ned Scott Wrote: I don't mind the commercial intent of h.265, but yeah, I don't look forward to the push for 4K and 3D and other stuff that will be pushed even more with h.265. I still look forward to h.265 in general, but mostly because most of my video content is under my own control (rips, etc). One can hope that enough sane people in the world will exist to prevent h.265 being exclusively used on some online video services. I'm a bit of a tree hugger, after all, and hate it when perfectly good devices are pushed aside just to sell new ones.
I feel like I didn't explain a lot of this, and that maybe the article didn't explain it either. x265 will be just like x264 availability wise. It won't be restricted, you'll be able to use it.
As for playback like I said before, mobile processors are able to handle 1080p, 30 fps playback. Platforms of XBMC will certainly be able to handle x265 content. The only exceptions will be high bitrate stuff, but we already have problems with that kind of stuff for RasPi, and other devices that can't handle some very high bitrate 1080p stuff anyway. So I highly doubt that will be a hinderance.
As for 4K? I don't really care about 4K at all at the moment. It's still 2-3 years out it seems. I personally think it's the worst resolution to come out for HDTV. No one sits close enough to a TV to see the benefits of 4K. Many people's living rooms/TVs aren't even set up to see the benefit of 1080p over 720p. 4K TVs push back many advancements that we actually need in TVs just for a branding point that is easy to sell.
We still need:
Better Black Levels
Better Contrast
Better viewing angles
All these to me are more important than a resolution that I can only see teh benefit of at 6 feet from my TV on displays of 80 inches or bigger (CNET article).
Either way though, this is a huge development for HTPCs. Especially considering that these are PRELIMINARY reviews. Many of the stuff that is in x264 that makes it so efficient hasn't even been implemented yet into this.
(2013-07-31, 00:09)Robotica Wrote: This is a crazy thread: everybody likes evolution of codecs. Only Davilla prefers locking his code in closed source drivers for his personal gain above new codecs to benefit all.
(2013-07-31, 00:09)Robotica Wrote: This is a crazy thread: everybody likes evolution of codecs. Only Davilla prefers locking his code in closed source drivers for his personal gain above new codecs to benefit all.
(2013-07-31, 00:26)Ned Scott Wrote: You have to look at why he's ripping on h.265.
(2013-07-31, 00:09)Robotica Wrote: This is a crazy thread: everybody likes evolution of codecs. Only Davilla prefers locking his code in closed source drivers for his personal gain above new codecs to benefit all.
(2013-07-31, 00:29)voochi Wrote:(2013-07-31, 00:26)Ned Scott Wrote: You have to look at why he's ripping on h.265.
If I worked for a company that sold ARM boxes then I probably wouldn't want people thinking about H.265 either. Someone thinking about next-gen codecs is more likely to build an upgradeable x86 machine and less likely to buy one of my underpowered ARM box. Heck, these toys can barely manage current formats..