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Win HOW TO - Configure Kodi DSPlayer with LAV Filters, XySubFilter & madVR
(2015-08-12, 21:57)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-08-12, 09:35)wints Wrote: Hi Warner, just curious and still trying to learn all this lol but what is/would be the difference (if any) between setting up a media filter rules using this

Code:
<source filter="lavsource" />
<splitter filter="lavsplitter" />
<video filter="lavvideo" />
<audio filter="lavaudio" />
<subs filter="xysubfilter" />

as opposed to these media filter rules

Code:
<source filter="lavfsplitter" />
<splitter filter="lavf_splitter" />
<video filter="lavvideodec" />
<audio filter="lavaudiodec" />
<subs filter="xysubfilter" />

cheers

I don't think there is any difference, just different names for the same filters. Unless the file fails to play.

ok cheers Warner
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What settings should I use under Video/Acceleration? Should I disable scaling and hardware acceleration since it's being taken care of by LAV and MadVR?
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(2015-08-29, 00:29)digriz60 Wrote: What settings should I use under Video/Acceleration? Should I disable scaling and hardware acceleration since it's being taken care of by LAV and MadVR?

Those settings apply only to DVDPlayer, but I would set them to settings similar to LAV Filters/DSPlayer.
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Does anyone else have the following, when select play it can take about 5/10 seconds before I see the image although the sound starts more or less straight away? even with pause during refresh rate is selected in Kodi and in DSPlayer delay playback until render queue is full is selected? This has been doing this since 15.0 DSPlayer build (21 July 2015 (e67b8c1) ) Thanks
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(2015-08-29, 10:12)wints Wrote: Does anyone else have the following, when select play it can take about 5/10 seconds before I see the image although the sound starts more or less straight away? even with pause during refresh rate is selected in Kodi and in DSPlayer delay playback until render queue is full is selected? This has been doing this since 15.0 DSPlayer build (21 July 2015 (e67b8c1) ) Thanks

Is refresh rate switching set in both Kodi and madVR? Only one should be used. Try using one or the other to see if it makes a difference.
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(2015-08-29, 00:40)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-08-29, 00:29)digriz60 Wrote: What settings should I use under Video/Acceleration? Should I disable scaling and hardware acceleration since it's being taken care of by LAV and MadVR?

Those settings apply only to DVDPlayer, but I would set them to settings similar to LAV Filters/DSPlayer.

Thank you for clarifying that. One more question as a reward!

I'm using Media Rules and Filters because I'm trying out ffdshow. I ended up creating another ffdshow audio decoder filter (which already existed in the main .xml file in the dsplayer starter kit.) So, when I check the main Media rule in the DSPlayer GUI within Kodi, it lists both ffdshow audio decoders in the audio filter for the rule that covers multiple filetypes (like ten of them)...so I see what's going on. I have duplicate rules covering the same file types in my userdata mediasconfig.xml as is also in the kodi system mediasconfig.xml.

Will that cause a problem, or will DSPlayer just roll with it? I'm currently debugging lots of playback issues, but I don't see any error pertaining to that in the kodi.log. Mostly I want to confirm I'm actually using the ffdshow filters. (I know, I'm probably doing this stupidly as I have an older computer that's frankly not powerful enough to take advantage of MadVR, so I'm dumbing down the scalers and throwing ffdshow in for the post processing as MadVR seems to love to sharpen things.

Thanks!
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(2015-08-30, 03:25)digriz60 Wrote:
(2015-08-29, 00:40)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-08-29, 00:29)digriz60 Wrote: What settings should I use under Video/Acceleration? Should I disable scaling and hardware acceleration since it's being taken care of by LAV and MadVR?

Those settings apply only to DVDPlayer, but I would set them to settings similar to LAV Filters/DSPlayer.

Thank you for clarifying that. One more question as a reward!

I'm using Media Rules and Filters because I'm trying out ffdshow. I ended up creating another ffdshow audio decoder filter (which already existed in the main .xml file in the dsplayer starter kit.) So, when I check the main Media rule in the DSPlayer GUI within Kodi, it lists both ffdshow audio decoders in the audio filter for the rule that covers multiple filetypes (like ten of them)...so I see what's going on. I have duplicate rules covering the same file types in my userdata mediasconfig.xml as is also in the kodi system mediasconfig.xml.

Will that cause a problem, or will DSPlayer just roll with it? I'm currently debugging lots of playback issues, but I don't see any error pertaining to that in the kodi.log. Mostly I want to confirm I'm actually using the ffdshow filters. (I know, I'm probably doing this stupidly as I have an older computer that's frankly not powerful enough to take advantage of MadVR, so I'm dumbing down the scalers and throwing ffdshow in for the post processing as MadVR seems to love to sharpen things.

Thanks!

Try these configuration files from the set-up guide. Place them in the dsplayer folder in the userdata directory.
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(2015-08-29, 23:39)Warner306 Wrote:
(2015-08-29, 10:12)wints Wrote: Does anyone else have the following, when select play it can take about 5/10 seconds before I see the image although the sound starts more or less straight away? even with pause during refresh rate is selected in Kodi and in DSPlayer delay playback until render queue is full is selected? This has been doing this since 15.0 DSPlayer build (21 July 2015 (e67b8c1) ) Thanks

Is refresh rate switching set in both Kodi and madVR? Only one should be used. Try using one or the other to see if it makes a difference.

Yeah it's definitely a refresh switching issue, only posted this because didn't know what to try next as I had already tried what you had suggested (originally had Kodi and madVR doing the switching) but went one step further and stopped any refresh switching at all where now there is no delays at either start of play or at the end of play
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A very simple question
How the subtitles can be adjusted? (same size) , through XySubFilter?
Because in SD movies are big , in 720 medium and in 1080 small
A have set a permanent size in XySubFilter ( i.e 22 ) , but then warching the movies in various resolutions , the subtitles as i mentioned before are not the same

Thanks for your arrention..............
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(2015-09-01, 15:25)SALAMINOMACHOS Wrote: A very simple question
How the subtitles can be adjusted? (same size) , through XySubFilter?
Because in SD movies are big , in 720 medium and in 1080 small
A have set a permanent size in XySubFilter ( i.e 22 ) , but then warching the movies in various resolutions , the subtitles as i mentioned before are not the same

Thanks for your arrention..............

I don't know the answer to this.
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@ Warner306
Thanks for your reply
It happens to your videos too?
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(2015-09-01, 23:37)SALAMINOMACHOS Wrote: @ Warner306
Thanks for your reply
It happens to your videos too?

I have few subtitles, so I can't remember any issues with text size. So, I don't know.
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Well, now that I've been thoroughly vexed for the last week or so, and educating myself on the enormous volume of information about video processing and playback...I have more questions and confusion than ever.

I'm coming from Klassic Kodi because the idea of a configurable player is very liberating, but comes with setup difficulties. I got that, so I'm trying all different combinations of decoders, filters, renderers, hardware, software, dxva, shaders...etc. Right now, the quality of DVDPlayer is better (and more stable than) DSPlayer. I blame my 630 GTX, which is probably woefully underpowered for MadVR. But I wanted to give it a shot anyway.

I have a couple of specific issues so far. The volume with DSPlayer is 30% (or whatever) lower than DVDPlayer on my other install of Kodi. Yes, they're both installed on the same box, so I could do a side to side comparison, realizing each one is altering my .xml files in userdata. Boy am I reckless and dumb. In any event, I'll try a video in DS Kodi, then exit and play it in Classic Kodi, and the volume is definitely weaker in DSPlayer. I've tried many changes.

I know getting a black screen and freezing upon starting a video has been an issue, so I've been tweaking delays and frame rates, but there is no consistency yet.

Should I be using hardware acceleration or not? It's Nvidia, but I read from various sources I should choose dxva2 (copy back) vs. Cuvid. Is that old news, relevant or myth?

I assume I need to keep a tight inventory of which post-processing and shader effects I'm using, because it seems like a careless dork could apply way too many filters from too many sources, and it will merrily destroy the picture and cripple performance without telling me I'm foolish for expecting too much. Now that I'm reading more of the forums, it seems like the use of all these filters indicates I'm watching very shitty quality videos. I won't lie, a lot of it is porn, but I know there's only so much you can do when the source material is poorly encoded, and therefore, free.

So, am I a heretic for trying to use ffdshow (because of the post processing?) instead of LAV. I bet I've committed a crime. It seems like the world is using LAV, but for the life of me, I couldn't see the improvement, and couldn't tweak any settings. But I'm diabetic, so my eyesight is shot to begin with. Now I'm wondering if I'm about 5 years behind the times with software and certainly hardware. Look, my Media player is my son's old Dimension 4700. It makes more noise than a leafblower when the CPU is cranking away. So I was trying to squeeze more work out of it than it's capable of doing. I've read extensively MadVR requires a videocard powered by a Bugatti.

Should I just go back to Klassic Kodi and call it a day until I upgrade the essential hardware, or valiantly chase this foolish dream to get quality, smooth playing bliss from DSPlayer? I'm certainly thrilled by the idea, but I'm the type of guy who likes mindlessly tinkering with shit with no results.
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(2015-09-02, 04:13)digriz60 Wrote: Well, now that I've been thoroughly vexed for the last week or so, and educating myself on the enormous volume of information about video processing and playback...I have more questions and confusion than ever.

I'm coming from Klassic Kodi because the idea of a configurable player is very liberating, but comes with setup difficulties. I got that, so I'm trying all different combinations of decoders, filters, renderers, hardware, software, dxva, shaders...etc. Right now, the quality of DVDPlayer is better (and more stable than) DSPlayer. I blame my 630 GTX, which is probably woefully underpowered for MadVR. But I wanted to give it a shot anyway.

I have a couple of specific issues so far. The volume with DSPlayer is 30% (or whatever) lower than DVDPlayer on my other install of Kodi. Yes, they're both installed on the same box, so I could do a side to side comparison, realizing each one is altering my .xml files in userdata. Boy am I reckless and dumb. In any event, I'll try a video in DS Kodi, then exit and play it in Classic Kodi, and the volume is definitely weaker in DSPlayer. I've tried many changes.

I know getting a black screen and freezing upon starting a video has been an issue, so I've been tweaking delays and frame rates, but there is no consistency yet.

Should I be using hardware acceleration or not? It's Nvidia, but I read from various sources I should choose dxva2 (copy back) vs. Cuvid. Is that old news, relevant or myth?

I assume I need to keep a tight inventory of which post-processing and shader effects I'm using, because it seems like a careless dork could apply way too many filters from too many sources, and it will merrily destroy the picture and cripple performance without telling me I'm foolish for expecting too much. Now that I'm reading more of the forums, it seems like the use of all these filters indicates I'm watching very shitty quality videos. I won't lie, a lot of it is porn, but I know there's only so much you can do when the source material is poorly encoded, and therefore, free.

So, am I a heretic for trying to use ffdshow (because of the post processing?) instead of LAV. I bet I've committed a crime. It seems like the world is using LAV, but for the life of me, I couldn't see the improvement, and couldn't tweak any settings. But I'm diabetic, so my eyesight is shot to begin with. Now I'm wondering if I'm about 5 years behind the times with software and certainly hardware. Look, my Media player is my son's old Dimension 4700. It makes more noise than a leafblower when the CPU is cranking away. So I was trying to squeeze more work out of it than it's capable of doing. I've read extensively MadVR requires a videocard powered by a Bugatti.

Should I just go back to Klassic Kodi and call it a day until I upgrade the essential hardware, or valiantly chase this foolish dream to get quality, smooth playing bliss from DSPlayer? I'm certainly thrilled by the idea, but I'm the type of guy who likes mindlessly tinkering with shit with no results.

Given your graphics card is more powerful than my graphics card, take the settings I provided in the second-last section and as a starting point (using the profiles shown for a 1080p or 2160p display). The picture quality will be immediately improved over DVDPlayer. Start by disabling all of the trade quality for performance checkboxes in the madVR control panel. Ditch FFDShow because it is old and won't improve anything and use the Internal filters installed with DSPlayer as described in the guide. This should be very simple and reduce the complexity of your set-up considerably. I would also recommend setting up madVR profiles in Kodi using Load DSPlayer settings... in DSPlayer settings.

Second, install ReClock and use WASPI Exclusive Bitstreaming (as the picture indicates in the ReClock section). Check all of the audio formats in LAV Audio your receiver supports. Your volume issues are most likely due to the use of some type of DirectSound device.

If the picture/sound quality still sucks, then DSPlayer/madVR likely isn't for you.
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@ ro all users

The user spiderben25 , gave me the solution with the subtitle size , to be equal with all the video resolutions

XySubFilter \ More \ Renderer Layout Options
H1920 V1080

and therefore i saw a brilliant text quality
And certainly the render to original Video size is unchecked
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