(2016-04-21, 19:47)BigPines Wrote:(2016-04-21, 19:24)hdmkv Wrote:Guys, are you seeing this with your glasses on or only when they are off? All I can make out in that video is the standard 3D offset between the left and right eyes. Of course, that is normal. Are you seeing something else?(2016-04-21, 19:10)movie78 Wrote: Example 1 2 3 , I am seeing the same thing on the NUC DN2820 with ANT-MANWhaaat?! I never noticed that when watching 'Ant-Man' 3D originally on HiMedia Q5. Would be a trip if it's in the actual movie! See my video here... definitely there from the 00:18:08 timestamp (in my video, not 'Ant-Man') onward.
@toro1977, #1 and 2 on your list, I've not had those issues. I stream from a NAS, not attached or internal storage. #3 and 4 may be a permissions issue. But, none relate to video playback/performance. You may want to ask in the nVidia Shield thread.
(2016-04-21, 20:53)wesk05 Wrote:It may be semantics. My understanding of clipping is when detail information is being permanently lost due to something in the video chain. Once it is lost, it cannot be recovered. That is not what is happening. Instead, the blacks are being crushed but the detail is still there and can be brought out by using the correct settings on the Q10 Pro which I mentioned above (as opposed to changing the settings on the display). Whites are also crushed by default but can be corrected by using the settings. This is what I meant by crushed. I mean a loss of detail at either end of the spectrum (in this case, both ends) which can be compensated for by using a particular setting on the device itself (not the display). If one were to change the settings on the display, all other sources would be displayed incorrectly so that is an unacceptable solution.(2016-04-21, 17:54)BigPines Wrote: One thing I should point out is that the external player is always processing the image even after disabling Imprex. I found that both whites and blacks are crushed even with Imprex off and image settings set to standard. So unfortunately, there is no true pass-through available on the device as it is always altering the image. I reported this problem to Himedia during the pre-production testing and I have confirmed the problem exists on the production hardware as well. The work-around I found was to turn off all Imprex options and set Brightness to 66 and Contrast to 43. This eliminates crushing on both blacks and whites. I used a test pattern from Digital Video Essentials to confirm this.When you say crushing black and white are you referring to clipping of 0-15 and 236-255? If so, only Linux x86 Kodi on Intel Graphics with patched passthrough driver from @fritsch/@lmyllari will allow BTB and WTW, not on Android devices (so far I have tested) or Pi2. On Windows, you can get it with RGB full in driver and limited in Kodi. The only problem is picture will look washed out. You can get also it to work with madVR, MPDN etc.
Brightness/Contrast settings will be specific for your setup.
(2016-04-21, 22:02)Skank Wrote:Well that changes everything. I'll try to reproduce it here.(2016-04-21, 19:47)BigPines Wrote:(2016-04-21, 19:24)hdmkv Wrote: Whaaat?! I never noticed that when watching 'Ant-Man' 3D originally on HiMedia Q5. Would be a trip if it's in the actual movie! See my video here... definitely there from the 00:18:08 timestamp (in my video, not 'Ant-Man') onward.Guys, are you seeing this with your glasses on or only when they are off? All I can make out in that video is the standard 3D offset between the left and right eyes. Of course, that is normal. Are you seeing something else?
@toro1977, #1 and 2 on your list, I've not had those issues. I stream from a NAS, not attached or internal storage. #3 and 4 may be a permissions issue. But, none relate to video playback/performance. You may want to ask in the nVidia Shield thread.
i did see this in 2d also
(2016-04-21, 22:10)BigPines Wrote:(2016-04-21, 22:02)Skank Wrote:Well that changes everything. I'll try to reproduce it here.(2016-04-21, 19:47)BigPines Wrote: Guys, are you seeing this with your glasses on or only when they are off? All I can make out in that video is the standard 3D offset between the left and right eyes. Of course, that is normal. Are you seeing something else?
i did see this in 2d also
(2016-04-21, 22:12)Skank Wrote:So you are saying you watched Ant Man 3D in 2D and saw the width of the picture changing and moving around on the sides? If so, this is normal. It is how 3D works. If you watched a 2D movie and saw something strange on the edges - Houston, we have a problem.(2016-04-21, 22:10)BigPines Wrote:(2016-04-21, 22:02)Skank Wrote: i did see this in 2d alsoWell that changes everything. I'll try to reproduce it here.
but for me , it looked more like it was just jumping from complete 16:9 to less 16:9 but with a black bar
you know what i mean?
it didnt look like a bar inside the picture, but just, it got cut off a bar width
(2016-04-21, 22:16)BigPines Wrote:(2016-04-21, 22:12)Skank Wrote:So you are saying you watched Ant Man 3D in 2D and saw the width of the picture changing and moving around on the sides? If so, this is normal. It is how 3D works. If you watched a 2D movie and saw something strange on the edges - Houston, we have a problem.(2016-04-21, 22:10)BigPines Wrote: Well that changes everything. I'll try to reproduce it here.
but for me , it looked more like it was just jumping from complete 16:9 to less 16:9 but with a black bar
you know what i mean?
it didnt look like a bar inside the picture, but just, it got cut off a bar width
(2016-04-21, 22:31)BigPines Wrote: Sorry Shank. I don't understand what you are describing then.
Do you ever see the problem on a strictly 2D movie? Do you see it on any movie other than Ant Man?
I compared the disc in my BD player to the ISO of the same disc in the Q10 Pro. The BD player isn't showing the gaps on the side edges or the black bars on the top and bottom because it is definitely overscanning the image. There is definitely less visible image on the edges of the picture all the way around on the BD player. This surprises me. BD players must have a rule to overscan 3D discs a certain amount. I didn't know that. I guess Himedia could just employ a certain amount of overscan for 3D films whether they are being watched in 2D or 3D so it would be consistent with the behavior of a BD player. I also noticed the image from the Q10 has less color and looks washed out compared to the BD. That may be related to what wesk05 was saying above or yet another bug in the external player. I will have to do more testing to figure that out. I will also test the legacy Q10 and pre-production units to see how they handled the issue.
