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2019 Sony TV XG80 series
#1
Hello all.
Does anyone knows, or can confirm what SOC is inside Sony 2019 XG series? Is it really MediaTek MT5596, as DisplaySpecifications notion it, or is it MediaTek MT5893 which is expected, given the past experience with Sony to put same SOC from low-end to high-end model? Or maybe it is some other model?
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#2
It‘s a MT5893.
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#3
No. It is not. Everything below XG85 has MT5891 from 2016. Also the entry-level OLED AG8.
Sony BRAVIA KD-65XF9005 (FW V6.6520 / Android TV Oreo 8.0)
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#4
Ok people. Sony has been a dissapointment for me in the TV department for some time. However I need a new and bigger TV NOW. The only brand that I am considering is SONY. I saw other brands from Samsung, LG, Philips, Vivax etc. but somehow I do not likeed them, either in menu, ergonomics of use and etc. 
As I do not watch TV, the main criteria is be ability to stream movies with .srt subtitles, videos from mobilephone and action cameras and music, from either DLNA server (thats is how I operate now), or from shared drive attached to routed or maybe from NAS as I am consideriing that option to.

Now what is your oppinion, what route shoud I take. 
XF70 is dirt cheap now and to combine with Android box. Cheapest option, might play everything, but will have to remotes and no voice command so not really convinient.
XG70 double price of that of XF70 + Triluminos, but still need Android box with all the cons and pros mentioned early.
XF80 again significantly cheaper + Triluminos and might end up buying Android box again.
XG80 same as XF80 just much expensieve.
XG85. Somehow it looks too much expenceieve and might end buying Android box in next year as well.

A simple dumb not too expencieve TV + Sony Android box migh be the ideal solution but I am still dazzled why had not been released.

Anyway, all opitions are wellcomed.
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#5
These are the Google Certified Android TV OS media players:

Streaming / Gaming Android TV devices (click)

Be aware not all of them are Netflix Approved, for streaming with that video service.

The best Android Firmware support will comes from NVIDIA with the Shield. That is pretty important for any Android media player.

If you do not need Android Apps, a Gigabit LAN equipped AMLogic Chipset media player running CoreELEC Kodi Leia with a Wireless remote (like a MINIX A2 lite) is a superior option vs anything Android.

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#6
I've had an XE9005 and then an XF9005 (the XE was replaced by the XF under warranty as Sony weren't able to fix the confirmed frame drop and frame repeat bug on 50/60fps content in the XE90 series)

I'm very happy with the XE90 series picture quality (FALD - Full Array Local Dimming - really makes a difference for HDR content, and I believe the XE90/XF90 have full 10-bit panels rather than 8-bit+FRC) but would always advise to use an external Android TV or Apple TV 4K for streaming services (the latter supports Dolby Vision on Netflix and Amazon Prime Video, which the XF9005 also supports). If you want Android TV then the nVidia Shield TV is by far the best option - particularly now it supports Rec 709/Rec 2020 HDMI gamut switching, but the Shield TV still needs you to manually change frame rate outside of Kodi (Netflix in my territory has lots of 25p European stuff as well as 23.976p US stuff - so I have to manually change output frame rate using TVHz or in the menus if I watch streaming services in the Shield TV outside of Kodi)

The XF90 is at the high end of LCD pricing, but for me there was no 50" OLED available, and I can't accommodate a 55" screen in my living room, so had to go for FALD LCD.  If you can get a good deal on an XF90 then I'd thoroughly recommend it.

My main setup is a 49XF9005 + Apple TV 4K for streaming services + AMLogic S912 running CoreElec for Kodi.  I also have a Shield TV, bought before the ATV 4K. I much prefer the ATV 4K for streaming services.
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#7
@noggin Noggin hello and thanx for sharing. Your scenario is exactly what I want to avoid. I prefer simplicity. I would like one device that can do all. You have TV+Apple TV+I am quessing some Android Box+nVidia Shield etc. You basically have 4 remotes and you need to juggle around.

What I want to achieve is how to put it "dumb" smart TV. All I want TV to have capability to play all audio, picture and video files, shared folder from my PC or NAS, plus the ability to play subtitles with movies. LG have exceptional capability to play every multimedia from USB. Plus it has exeptional capability to work with subtitles. Codepage can be changed, font size, position, color etc. However that does not work seamless when files ate on network.
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#8
You will find Smart TV's really are only designed to support and stream audio and video formats that the Major video streaming services support.
Eg 1080p or 2160p HDR10(+) or DolbyVision - Amazon Prime Video or Netflix with 5.1 Dolby Digitsl Plus Audio, or VP9 from YouTube.

Smart TV's are Not designed to network stream high bitrate 4K video with associated HD audio because they only have 100Mbit LAN. WiFi really cannot be relied upon once audio and video bitrates increase.
You will also find auto Frame Rate Matching for Kodi and various Apps does not work very well if at all on Sony Smart TV's.

The most powerful Network only Media Player is the Apple TV 4K, it will literally play anything you throw at it using something like the highly Kodi modified MrMC App. What it cannot hardware decode, it will software decode using its powerful CPU package.

MrMR being Kodi Jarvis / Krypton based supports playback of Pictures and Audio with scraped Metadata, just like Kodi always has.

The ATV 4K uses a single remote with the ability to easily program it's Infra Red blaster to control Soundbar / AVR volume.
It also has pretty good HDMI CEC support with the ability to turn a TV & AVR OFF / ON from that single remote.
Triple tapping the ATV 4K's trackpad remote to very quickly activate subtitles I personally find a pretty awesome, very handy feature.

That is the cleanest solution you will very likely come across with the best picture quality and the most power under the hood.
Read the review:

335219 (thread)

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#9
(2019-05-16, 20:48)trajce_drvarceto Wrote: @noggin Noggin hello and thanx for sharing. Your scenario is exactly what I want to avoid. I prefer simplicity. I would like one device that can do all. You have TV+Apple TV+I am quessing some Android Box+nVidia Shield etc. You basically have 4 remotes and you need to juggle around.

What I want to achieve is how to put it "dumb" smart TV. All I want TV to have capability to play all audio, picture and video files, shared folder from my PC or NAS, plus the ability to play subtitles with movies. LG have exceptional capability to play every multimedia from USB. Plus it has exeptional capability to work with subtitles. Codepage can be changed, font size, position, color etc. However that does not work seamless when files ate on network.

Beware Smart TV internal video players. They are often limited in areas we take for granted (refresh rate switching, decent audio and video codec and wrapper support, multiple subtitle standard support etc.) and in particular most of them can only support PCM 2.0/DD and DD+/DTS if you are lucky - as they have to use TOSLINK/SPDIF or HDMI ARC for audio output (unless you are happy with TV speakers)

You really do need to look at an external STB solution if you want the best and most flexible system.  Our main viewing is TV + Apple TV 4K, with the CoreElec S912 Kodi box used when watching stuff that the ATV 4K (running the MrMC fork of Kodi) doesn't support.
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(2019-05-16, 10:34)noggin Wrote: I've had an XE9005 and then an XF9005 (the XE was replaced by the XF under warranty as Sony weren't able to fix the confirmed frame drop and frame repeat bug on 50/60fps content in the XE90 series)

Hi, how did you check it?
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#11
(2019-05-30, 19:12)Forsman Wrote:
(2019-05-16, 10:34)noggin Wrote: I've had an XE9005 and then an XF9005 (the XE was replaced by the XF under warranty as Sony weren't able to fix the confirmed frame drop and frame repeat bug on 50/60fps content in the XE90 series)

Hi, how did you check it?      
I saw the issue within about 5 minutes of switching on my TV for the first time, once I'd disabled all the horrible picture processing (Motion Flow, Noise Reduction, Contrast Enhancement, Reality Creation etc.) as I was watching a music performance on a TV show that had a crawling caption overlaid. The caption kept juddering around shot changes.  When I watched the same content on other displays (i.e. the same show from the same PVR source) there was no juddering.  Once I spotted this issue I saw it on pretty much every 50Hz native show (but not on 25Hz native progressive shows)  I logged an issue with Sony Support online (don't bother doing that - they are dreadful).  Once I had got nowhere online I logged it with the Sony Support telephone team.  They were much better and after a week or two I'd escalated to their 'very difficult problem, talk to someone who can actually help' team...

NB : I had to work very hard for Sony not to try to 'repair' my TV. When the 'repair' team rang me they confirmed they had no idea what would cause the problem I was seeing and would do a full main board replacement.  This was less than a week after I had purchased the TV.   My retailer confirmed they didn't think that this was acceptable, and said they would exchange the TV.  However when I went to their store to test another TV, it was clear it had the same fault, so wasn't a fault specific to my TV, but instead a type-fault on all models of that type (in fact it seems it was all screen sizes in the XE9005 range)

To actually prove the fault analytically to Sony (who were initially very sceptical), I mastered an AVC HD DVD (i.e. a Blu-ray on a DVD disc) and an equivalent file (which I could play on a Raspberry Pi or a MacBook Pro with a Black Magic video output device) with a 720p50 recording with 50fps timecode burned into it. (I converted a high quality 1080i25 recording to 720p50 in ffmpeg, and added the timecode in FCP X).

This meant I had a video source where each frame had a unique and burned in 'frame number' to allow unambiguous documentation of missing or repeated frames. This material contained a recording of a native interlaced show that contained material that showed the 50Hz frame pair drop/frame repeat many times in three minutes.  It was a clip from an entertainment show which contained a lot of fast camera moves.  The source video was clean and had no frame drops or repeats.

I played this 720p50 video with timecode burned into the picture on a number of XE9005 displays with the same neutral display settings (on shop floors, my own one etc.)

I filmed the screen of each XE9005 on my iPhone in 240fps slow motion. I was then able to watch this through, and document which frame pairs were dropped, which frame pairs were repeated etc. They were often, but not always, close to shot changes.  Occasionally a single frame was dropped (which was incredibly obvious during a pan or track etc.)

I was able to also split the HDMI feed from a playback device and feed two different Sony displays (my older UHD SDR model and my UHD HDR XE9005) the same video and film them in slow motion close enough together that both screens could be seen in the same image. This showed the XE9005 drift compared to the older display that was absolutely rigid and regular.

Sony grudgingly accepted that this was, indeed, a fault that they hadn't fixed.  They confirmed that they saw the same issue with my test material (I uploaded an ISO for them to burn to check).  They agreed to replace my TV with an XF9005 under my original warranty, once I had tested an XF9005 and confirmed it didn't have the same fault. The retailer I purchased my XE9005 through transferred my additional 4 year warranty (which was free as part of the original purchase) to the new XF9005, which I have been very happy with. A significant number of Brits have had replacements of their XE9005.

The only solution with an XE9005 to avoid the frame drops/repeats was to run the TV in Game Mode (but that compromises other areas of the TV performance) or one of the Photo modes OR by doing something odd with Bluetooth Audio syncing. However this introduces so much vision delay, that many AVRs can no longer compensate (so isn't an acceptable solution) I ran my TV in Game Mode for 4 months until the XF9005 launched.  (Sony agreed to delay my warranty claim)
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