[X3lectric]

@ johan_tre

what do you mean by that?
I hope you're not offended when I found it a hard-to-maintain script.
And I've done the effort of reading it, in order to solve the problem I had at the time.
Conclusion for me: It's far to long to be kept clear, all the dialog clutter doesn't do good to it, the mix between installation ways doing the same thing, the incorrect Alsa installation, the ever recurring ppa problems (you're not the only having these prob's, xbmscript has the same issue), it's all just confusing. All in one script.

1) I did not code 90% of that script, I found fixes tweaked the s[elling and wording on script + forums, support and the kitchen sink.

I'm not a developer Linux guru or anything of the sort, though people think so because I'm WAS associated with project like someone that has specific tasks not DEVELOPING, which I had to learn a bit of anyway, and cant understand most of because my illness is detrimental in that way to me.

+ I didn't code most of it that was NOT my job.

Im not offended that you think its a hard to maintain script because it has 3k lines, what I dont apprecciate is that the Dialog part what makes the script look professional, was my idea. It took me months of work to get it right.

your telling me its essentially

all the dialog clutter doesn't do good to it

I can only deduce from that that you don't like it, but its not going to change cause I'm doing a couple of last changes and that's it.

the incorrect Alsa installation

Sorry alsa is installed properly in karmic when 9.11 was around, if it didn't work for you, it worked for thousands of other users.

the ever recurring ppa problems *snip You'll understand the irritation when installing Dharma and nvidia 256 (my previous setup) was also not installing properly anymore.
Then I'm out of options

YA cause script is using third party ppas for VIDEO drivers which I have no control of, e.g. GFX drivers which more often then not after 195 are difficult to work with, yet script users dont moan to the ppa maintainer for the video drivers. So I have to do that as well? I did it plenty of times, not any more though.

Guess what... not so much was changed. So what could be the problem then?? It's at THAT moment you decide to look for other options. Forced a little, because of the lack of knowledge and support.
I wanted a solution for my problem.

See what I mean?
Understand how I came to the ideas?
They are not meant to be offending. Only to help.

The only way you can help is by:

a) implement your ideas into script, get used to the dialog parts

b) break it up yourself, in fact most of the script functions come form other scripts here in the forums ALL OVER the place, so we decided to put it all together, because IT makes sense. Its simple.

c) just run you part of the wifi script separately.

d) If you think xbmcscript is bad then give up now cause he retired from dev and HE knows what hes doing, in fact in the beginning we used some of his ideas.

it doesn't work. Period.

well the 260 drivers are to blame, so I know I don't have to run over 3000 lines, I just remove the 260 and walla.

Shit, how come?
Has OpenElec's distro no similar "dialog" package then?

The only thing in common with debian that openelec has is that it LINUX the packaging and install procedures are completely different and you dont get ppas.

Dialog exist in openelec but trust me run XCI with openelec at your own peril.

Can you imagine what a non-developer sees opening that script?
His conclusion will be simple: it doesn't work. Period.

Ya I open it all the time and even had to fix what I didn't quite understand, since Im NOT a developer.

I got dumped with the whole project, nice no?

Even nicer when you ask help for devs, packages or even someone who can do the documentation and they all either dont apply for position, or say yea Ill do it and then that's the last I ear from them...

The menu handler is not a good idea, is that what you're saying?
If it increases simplicity by splitting up in an flexible way, why not?
To me it seemed a good idea... (but maybe unfeasible?)

The menu handler is the best we could do to make it a professional script, its not infeasible, you dont agree with it thats fine... You dont have to like everything.... There's no such thing as pleasing everyone.

Please explain? "hours running scripts". For which conditions you mean that?
A split up can't make that difference, can it?
When I speak about splitting up, I mean this in an dynamic way. So that the user can't see the difference between the old and the new script. The only difference would be simplicity when a problem occurs, and a cause of problem could easier be pointed.
One script can call another, no?
Having one script representing the main stream of dialogs etc, calling scripts doing the work is not such a bad idea, no?
Maybe I'm to progressive in my perception about the possibilities here?

Sure a script can call another, that's how the menus work, and I think your really no so experienced like me and you have other ideas and would like to have it done your way...

Simple

I'm retiring from XCI, the whole lot. Forums, PPA's, maintaining and everything else...

You can do whatever you like with it, Ill help you with transition and even may help with documentation and support, IF I have the time.

Code:

You mean I'm chickening out or so?
I just want to put my effort the most effecient way :)
My attempt to find out the ghost process problem showed me how easily  comes to a dead end.   I wasn't the first reporting that problem.
And I've done the effort of cracking open the script without success.
For me, it's a way of contributing, by giving suggestions.
Maybe these ideas are stupid, not possible, or whatever.
But at least I offer them.
So I expect feedback.  And maybe that feedback helps me finding a solution, and if so, you'll see a post of me for sure.
It's only in an effort to help mate.
Improvement can be made by working together.

No Im not saying your chickening out, I said others before you have come suggested and then split, expecting me to do the hard work for them, for free.

Suggestions are not help, they are ideas that may work or may not, XCI went through a long, long, long process of development and testing

XCI is what it is today, because people, the users all thousands of them wanted it like that. We listened and worked very hard.

Reporting problems well...

XCI as a nifty feature that uploads all logs to a pastebin, yet only a hand full of users actually use it.
These logs give people that develop and maintain it clews to what's wrong, no other script does this.... yet so users rather just screm ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it doesn't work its broken....

So much for help and feedback...

Look johan_tre, I have explained the best way I could about the script.
You seem like a really interesting person and probably we could work together, but I have real problems in my live.

Im disabled am in serious pain 24/7 for over 3 years, and hardly sleep, so sleep deprivation is really nice when you have to concentrate...

I hope you found this helpful, if your a linux person and want to do whatever with XCI, its yours, Ill help if and when I can.

Team XBMC would say, if you want some function in XBMC that they dont want or dont have time for, they say, submit a patch.

XCI is also opensource for that reason, yet suggestions dont help me fix problems, when I just simply physically and psychophysically cant do it anymore.

See you around, thx for suggestion and Ill wait on your reply if you want to take project over or do your own...

XCI as published to the public to help others, it turned into a hard work time consuming job.

If I would go back now I would have just done it with andy and kept it private and pass it to friends only....

Thx though for all your ideas and suggestion, I hope I was clear and non offensive and Hope you know I'm serious about giving the project away...

Regards...