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topfs2 · 2011-02-04, 21:13

darkscout Wrote:Point of clarification, do only the people you distribute the binary to need to be able to get to the source code?

Hilton Hotels buys 1,000 of these Omex for their new Auckland grand opening.
If Hilton IT requests the source code for the boxes (which they probably won't, they just want it to work) you DO have to give the source code as per the GPL.

On request is not enough, this has been tested in court. The code needs to be bundled with the sw (might be enough to just have it available for download and the sw needs to have url to where sourcecode can be acquired, someone needs to back me up on this though.)

Oh, and another interesting point is that hilton have the same rights as the first company, so they can in turn resell / give out the GPL portions to anyone. So A can distribute something by fee with the source code and B can upload all the GPL to internet for anyone to consume, since they have the same rights as A.

darkscout Wrote:Or can Joe Schmoe in Kansas decide they want to see the source code for the product?

This is an interesting point, pretty sure that the license only force upon source code availability with the distribution part of the sw and not the use, which does only involve hilton in your case. It is usually easier though to just make it available for anyone.

"For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights."

darkscout Wrote:Also, has the GPL been tested in NZ court? Just because that's how the license 'should' work in the united states doesn't mean anything elsewhere.

Not sure about NZ but it have been tested in many countries and have hold.

darkscout · 2011-02-04, 21:22

topfs2 Wrote:On request is not enough, this has been tested in court. The code needs to be bundled with the sw (might be enough to just have it available for download and the sw needs to have url to where sourcecode can be acquired, someone needs to back me up on this though.)

I think this is what Linksys does and no one has complained once they did. More and more hardware is coming without any CDs or DVDs pointing people to a website if they need something.

avus m3 · 2011-02-04, 21:41

I hate this kid off the bat because while what he is doing maybe in the legal clear (although I doubt these hotels know what this is based off of or that it is open source) he acts as if he actually developed anything. I doubt this stupid kid even understands the GPL or knows what it is...hell he doesn't even know how to put on a coat (end of vid). I'm sure he's open to a lawsuit in the future or some descent lawyer from one of these hotels taking his product and saying thanks and distributing among the chain.

butchabay · 2011-02-04, 21:54

Yo yo people i'm not gonna sell anything Smile

it is just my point of view and it will remain my sparetime activity ... Money isn't everything but i hate people making money with a project and not inform the owner, it's a mentality and characterial question not a license argument. Anyway keep up this grandious project called XBMC and not Omex!
Cheers ...

topfs2 · 2011-02-04, 21:59

darkscout Wrote:I think this is what Linksys does and no one has complained once they did. More and more hardware is coming without any CDs or DVDs pointing people to a website if they need something.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is ok. Google does the same on their nexus line

darkscout · 2011-02-04, 22:18

avus m3 Wrote:I hate this kid off the bat because while what he is doing maybe in the legal clear (although I doubt these hotels know what this is based off of or that it is open source) he acts as if he actually developed anything. I doubt this stupid kid even understands the GPL or knows what it is...hell he doesn't even know how to put on a coat (end of vid). I'm sure he's open to a lawsuit in the future or some descent lawyer from one of these hotels taking his product and saying thanks and distributing among the chain.

And this is why most people don't like OSS, because of the zealots. Some devs have already come in and made their statement, but people still judge this guy as 'immoral' and 'shady'. It's no different than all the crap that went down in the Messy Movie Manager..

And those hotels don't care. Once again I'll refer you to the screenshot of the "modified confluence" and the company in Europe that is doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Read how well they treated the Devs at DevCon.

Quote:This year we were fortunate enough to be hosted by at-visions at Hotel Fabrik in Vienna, Austria. at-visions where truly wonderful hosts and did everything they could to make this a great weekend for everyone that attended. I think I can safely say that everyone from XBMC thanks them for their hospitality and we wish them well with everything they are doing.

Right now it's just a feel good story. He mocked up a proof of concept. He's got VC funding and that's where it is. Everything he's done so far is 100% legal. There is nothing in that video to assume otherwise. It was a 5 minute news clip about the kid and his project not about XBMC or the technical stuff behind it.

And please inform me of what you had done by 15 other than trying to hide your porn stash (pre internet) or porn folder (post internet) from your parents.

Lets let it settle out what is going on before you judge the kid.

**matthuisman** · 2011-02-05, 01:25

Im sure he would be a member on these forums if he is using XBMC as a base for his project.
Would love to get his thoughts etc.
Might flick him an email with a link to this thread

bodhi · 2011-02-05, 01:34

darkscout Wrote:And this is why most people don't like OSS, because of the zealots. Some devs have already come in and made their statement, but people still judge this guy as 'immoral' and 'shady'. It's no different than all the crap that went down in the Messy Movie Manager..

And those hotels don't care. Once again I'll refer you to the screenshot of the "modified confluence" and the company in Europe that is doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Read how well they treated the Devs at DevCon.

Right now it's just a feel good story. He mocked up a proof of concept. He's got VC funding and that's where it is. Everything he's done so far is 100% legal. There is nothing in that video to assume otherwise. It was a 5 minute news clip about the kid and his project not about XBMC or the technical stuff behind it.

And please inform me of what you had done by 15 other than trying to hide your porn stash (pre internet) or porn folder (post internet) from your parents.

Lets let it settle out what is going on before you judge the kid.

Exactly!

omex · (This post was last modified: 2011-02-05, 02:26 by omex.)

Hi Guys,

Luke here from Omex.

First off I am sorry that we had not informed you of the possible use XBMC in our product. This was not intentional. We had only just decided to test the possible use it of it, 2 or 3 days prior to filming this. Previously we were in talks with MatrixStream.

It was our intention to let you guys know after we had made our final decision on what we would use for the final product. We are still testing and in the development phase.

The demonstration on close-up was to show the concept only.

We have now decided to use MediaPortal as we need to have TV tuner support. And yes I have made them (MediaPortal) aware of this.

Hope this clears thing up.
Luke

**Clumsy** · 2011-02-05, 04:37

Now you destroyed al the artificial drama ! Wink

Good luck with your project, may the force be with you (ha, what a bad reference).

abacus · 2011-02-05, 06:30

Good on ya Luke, I want to congratulate you and wish you all the best for the future.

In these times with so many people whining about their job or their situation in life, it's refreshing to see a young man doing something for himself and his future.

I wonder how many people who posted so negatively in this thread step up and do the right thing?