2018-01-06, 11:51
The Gemini supports Intel® InTRU™ 3D?
(2017-12-28, 20:39)tiqq2 Wrote:People, don't panic. You are all quoting one single source regarding missing HDR support on Gemini Lake. This is what I think about that:(2017-12-27, 17:01)honcho Wrote: There is no HDR on apollo/gemini lake.Yes, looks like Intel failed again
Intel confirmed that they do not plan to support HDR processing workflows in Gemini Lake...
(2018-01-24, 20:11)direx Wrote:It's virtually the same as apollo lake.(2017-12-28, 20:39)tiqq2 Wrote:People, don't panic. You are all quoting one single source regarding missing HDR support on Gemini Lake. This is what I think about that:(2017-12-27, 17:01)honcho Wrote: There is no HDR on apollo/gemini lake.Yes, looks like Intel failed again
Intel confirmed that they do not plan to support HDR processing workflows in Gemini Lake...
- The statement came from a random guy who is talking about "HDR processing workflows". It's not even clear what that means. Maybe he mixed up "HDR videos" with "HDR photo workflows" (which will of course suck on low-end CPUs such as Gemini Lake).
- There is no actual proof that HDR will not be supported
- Datasheets & iGPU specs tell a different story. In fact the Gemini Lake GPUs have the same microarcitecture as the Kaby Lake GPUs (which is Gen9.5). They even have the benefit of Gen10 display connections, which means native HDMI 2.0 for us. Furthermore, if you look at the specs, you'll see that the UHD Graphics 605 from the Pentium silver models has support for decoding HEVC@4K@10bit and VP9@4K@10bit.
You can have a look at the actual facts here:
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/uhd_graphics/605
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/micro...dmont_plus
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/micro...res/gen9.5
Although nobody was able to actually try HDR support on Gemini Lake yet I would still suppose that it should be working. As it was said earlier, as long as the hardware is able to decode the material, HDR should be working. And Gemini Lake most certainly is capable of 4K decoding with 10bpc, both for HEVC and VP9. Of course we need support from the OS and the driver to hand over the HDR metadata to the display (once per movie, as we are not talking about dynamic HDR here), but compared to decoding this is a minor software-only thing.
- direx
(2018-01-24, 23:23)honcho Wrote: It's virtually the same as apollo lake.Please don't make claims without proof. And don't mix up the CPU family with the GPU architecture. Let me get things straight:
No HDR, sorry. This is from Intel.
Quote:With Windows® 10 RS3 (Version 1709) and Intel® Graphics driver version 15.60.0.4849 installed, all 7th generation Intel® NUC Kits and Mini PCs will support HDR natively.And you know what? Gemini Lake NUCs are 7th generation Intel NUCs, which is why they have a 7 in their product name (NUC7CJYH/NUC7PJYH).
Quote:On the GPU side of matters however, since Atom is inheriting the existing Gen9 GPU we’ve seen since Skylake, things are a lot clearer. Architecturally, Gen9 is not a radical departure from Gen8, but it’s none the less a more efficient and capable GPU architecture from Intel, supporting the more modern Direct3D Feature Level 12_1 feature set.
(2018-01-25, 09:30)direx Wrote: And since you are saying "this is from Intel", all I can say that this is from Intel:
https://communities.intel.com/thread/118457
(2018-01-25, 09:48)atoulmin Wrote: I agree, i think Gemini Lake should be good, especially with native HDMI 2.0. However intel need to make sure they support linux.
(2018-01-25, 15:27)DenisDA Wrote: Well, actually, you gave a link. You yourself have studied?
You see the list of UHD 605? I'm not. I am sure others too. This is a screenshot of Intel.
(2018-01-25, 13:54)HDGMA Wrote: If you don't know that Apollo Lake has Gen9 GPU derived from Skylake, maybe you should stop posting incorrect & misleading information.Ok, let's not argue if Apollo Lake has Gen8 or Gen9 graphics. The Intel HD 505 graphics is not listed as Gen9 here, but it is probably simply missing in that list. But that does not change the situation about the HDR support. Why do all of you people keep quoting from that one random website and claim that the information is coming straight from Intel?
Anandtech is not wrong when it comes to Gemini Lake HDR, Intel is simply are not supporting HDR on Gemini Lake and that comes straight from Intel themselves.
7th gen means Kaby Lake NUCs, that's it.
Quote:Hardware wise you'll need a HDR capable display obviously, and you'll need an Intel Geminilake GPU. Older Intel platforms don't support the HDR infoframe, so the display wouldn't know what to do with the data you're feeding it.
Quote:The low-cost platform supports SGX, HDMI 2.0, and HDCP 2.2. Gemini Lake platforms have a lower power budget and memory performance compared to the KBL-U systems covered in this piece. Intel confirmed that they do not plan to support HDR processing workflows in Gemini Lake due to those constraints.First of all it is unclear what HDR processing workflows really means and second of all the constraints mentioned (lower power and memory performance) have very little impact on HDR support. So to me this does not sound very plausible. It is also not stated where, when and how Intel supposedly confirmed that.
Quote:They provided me with early access to a driver slated for release in January 2018. This driver enabled both the Intel NUC7i7BNHX and the ASRock Beebox-S 7200U to successfully play back the Planet Earth II Blu-ray with HDR, while also performing as per specifications in our other tests detailed in the previous sections.